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Posted: Aug 23 2007 at 12:35am | IP Logged Quote cfa83
Can any comment on these? Are there old threads anyone remembers concerning these? Trying to decide for a dd who loves to write.
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Posted: Aug 23 2007 at 7:13am | IP Logged Quote marihalojen
There are many old threads on these. No time to link this morning, off to the Tropical Gardens but click the SEARCH button in the upper right corner and have fun reading!

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We just started with Classical Writing... it is very good

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OOps... double post! I'll add a link then!
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Posted: Aug 23 2007 at 1:25pm | IP Logged Quote Willa
I love Classical Writing.

I know a lot of threads have happened on Bravewriter and the Progym but I can't get the search function working on my computer right now.

What are your goals for writing? I use the progym alongside a lot of informal writing -- once my kids like to narrate and write stories, the progym gives me a sequence to follow that seems developmentally appropriate.   

I don't think I would use it with a kid who wasn't already thinking of herself or himself as a writer, because in my experience formal writing programs can narrow a kids' writing abilities and sometimes turn him or her off writing altogether.   And to me, the writing mentality is of fundamental importance, more so than a toolbox of skills (which I do think the progym helps provide, to me in a wider and more liberal-arts manner than most formal writing programs).

I don't have Bravewriter (too much $$$ and too much like what we already do after 15 years of trial and error) but I think the principles are excellent and sound.



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Posted: Aug 23 2007 at 1:31pm | IP Logged Quote Willa
Oh, here we go:

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Questions about writing programs

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My 14 dd has a passion for writing. We have not used a formal program for writing. She writes, writes and writes some more. She has been working on a number of stories. I am looking for something to take her through college and in professional writing if she chooses. I know each of these programs are complete for college level. It's just hard to pick one!

I understand Progym. digs deeper into each level of writing. Is that correct? Ultimately she would like to be published. Writing is so natural to her. It truly is her passion.
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If writing is her passion, she enjoys it and is a prolific writer already I think she may be beyond BraveWriter which is set up to encourage reluctant writers, imo. Not that the ideas couldn't be used with a passionate writer but the concept does appear to be encourgaement for reluctant writers.

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marihalojen wrote:
If writing is her passion, she enjoys it and is a prolific writer already I think she may be beyond BraveWriter which is set up to encourage reluctant writers, imo. Not that the ideas couldn't be used with a passionate writer but the concept does appear to be encourgaement for reluctant writers.

I agree. We LOVE Bravewriter, but, as the name implies, much of it is about drawing out and encouraging the reluctant writer,and finding the writers voice. Since your dd is beyond that stage she might not get a lot from that program.

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Thanks for the responses. That info. helped me rule out Brave Writer. Narrow, narrow, narrow search...yea! For those who use Classical Writing: do you know what the differences between the Progym and CW?
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CW is based on the progym... they structured it after one of the models online somewhere... they dont have ALL the sections up yet, but they are working on it.
Believe it or not, the kids love it

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Hopefully one last question , is CW comparable to Regina Coeli's program (as far as depth)?
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Thank you Willa for the links! I'm looking forward to reading them.
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cfa83 wrote:
Thanks for the responses. That info. helped me rule out Brave Writer. Narrow, narrow, narrow search...yea! For those who use Classical Writing: do you know what the differences between the Progym and CW?


CW is based on the progym -- they have only published up to the third or fourth level so far, so that's a drawback since your daughter sounds like an advanced writer.

Here's another past thread about the progym in general

Here's a thread about ISLAS and Regina Coeli-- only mentions the progym briefly but perhaps will be helpful for general background.

This online writing assessment program uses the progym -- I have heard it mentioned on a classical elist I'm on but don't remember hearing much about peoples' experiences with it.   But anyway, I thought I'd mention it.

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Brave Writer still sounds good for all my kiddos. My dd wrote a question on the main board concerning literature recommendations.

I *still* haven't decided on which writing program to use.

Has anyone used writing programs and then switched to a progymnasmata program?
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Rather than start a new thread here, I thought I'd post my question in this one, since this is where I was looking for a possible answer.

I'll start out by saying, I'm not interested in a full-fledged pricey writing program. I really just would like something basic. I can't commit to the cost of IEW or Bravewriter. I have already given Classical Writing a try, and now realize that I don't want/need the spelling/grammar portion of that program. I don't really want to go whole hog with the progym either.

That said, I am curious if anyone here has used the Imitation in Writing books available through the Logos School. I think these are available through IEW also, though I don't know if they are required materials.

Anyway, I like what I've seen of the Greek Myths and Greek Heroes samples...just would like to hear some feedback if anyone has used them.

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