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Have you read this, and if so, what do you think? I was introduced to it last fall. There are many things in it that run counter to everything I have ever read in alternative health books. I just don't know what to think of it. Anyone care to offer an opinion?
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I have this and it is rather beaten up looking..so yes I do use it 
I haven't done too much, but there is a lot of wisdom there...You can ck out this site for more info... siteWeston Price Foundation
I find that I cannot digest too much at one time...I just concentrate on one area and make changes there and move onto another area as I feel more comfortable with doing things differently...I'll tell you fermented foods are great for me...I am losing weight without even trying!! I love making the stocks and soaking grains too...I can tell my body loves that. FWIW
I am sure that you will get a lot more info from some of the ladies on this list...Elizabeth knows a bit about it too...
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My copy went to California with Chari two years ago. I was kind of frustrated with it. But...that was before I discovered the wheat allergy. Now, much of NT makes more sense to me. And it feels healthier. I still totally disagree with Sally Fallon on infant feeding and I'm not really into liver--I can't my mind around eating the organ that processes the toxins. Personally, I don't do much with fermented veggies, but that's just because I haven't gotten around to it. I think bone broths are amazing and they are always on hand around here. I have a pot going now. I use more olive oil than Sally would like but I do believe that olive oil is part of traditional nutrition for people of Italian descent. I've kind of balanced Sally Fallon with The Maker's Diet.
Recently, I have recognized how vigilant I was about diet until I had about five children. That was also the time my older children started doing more and more away from home and so were more influenced by others in what they wanted to eat. That was also the beginning of my struggle with depression. AND it was the beginning of my affair with coffee. I really do think it's all related. NT and The Maker's Diet have helped me refocus on the importance of what we put in our bodies and how worth it it is to take the time and attention to provide good food for our families.
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i bought this a few years ago and as a scientist, thought it was right on. i recently loaned it out to a friend in my food coop. i don't care for many of the recipes, but i thought the information about nutrition was correct.
did i miss SF's comments on infant nutrition in the book?
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All of my reading on alternative health has been in the way of eating raw fruits/veg, 2/3 of the diet being fruit/veggies, vegetarian and vegan as better than "flesh" diets, fats from olive oil and nuts and avocados being safe but animal fat being bad for you, and the strong assertion that most people eat too much protein, not enough. Organic etc is a given, along with white flour/sugar being pure evil. I know several people who aim to be raw foodists, who eat close to 95% of their diet as fruits/veggies and nuts. They soak their grains just to soften them and eat them from a spoon rather than cook them, because of the issue of them being acidifying.
I'm laughing as I read this...can you tell I lived on the West Coast (we moved to EST a year ago)? My East coast friends think I am a Birkenstocks and Granola Hippie, especially when the subject of nursing and home birth gets added in! 
So anyway, this book advocates for higher fat content, claims that animal fat is good for us, and even advocates for eating raw meat! I've always read nuts should never be cooked. NT suggests that all nuts be toasted.
I've got that, "I don't know who to believe" syndrome, now, kwim?
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I've really enjoyed the book though I haven't been successful with soaking grains for bread and biscuits. They turn out terrible. I don't think we have a wheat allergy (how would I know?), but even my dh is begging me to go back to making the regular wheat bread I used to make with the freshly milled (unsoaked) grain.
I'm going to be trying to make my first fermented veggie concoction this week.
I also have been taking high vitamin cod liver oil, but now that I'm preggo, I'm not sure I should?
I do think there's lots of valuable info in this book, but it's a little harder to implement.
I too suffer from depression, and would like to learn how diet affects that.
I love coffee, but it's only one cup. Coming from a Cuban family, coffee is a staple. I lose my taste for it close to second trimester.
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I totally know what you mean; I think that's why I discarded it the first time. The reason I came back to it is that the families I know who do this really do seem healthier...I don't think we'll ever figure out the ideal diet this side of heaven.
And the animal fat, just for the sake of animal fat, thing is still counterintuitive to me. I understand needing flesh and I think I feel better with meat than I did as a vegetarian, but I don't see the point of forcing oneself to eat a lot of fat.
When Molly gets back, she can contribute to the conversation, but we did meet Sally in person. And, honestly, she's a bit rounder than I'd like to be. She talked about adding a whole stick of butter to her kids' oatmeal. She only has two kids. That might have been when I put the book away...
But the diet component of Maker's Diet (which draws heavily on NT) really made sense to me and really, really made me feel better. I should have stuck to it more closely. I'm resolving to do that I soon as I can relate to food normally again.
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Elizabeth wrote:
I totally know what you mean; I think that's why I discarded it the first time. The reason I came back to it is that the families I know who do this really do seem healthier...I don't think we'll ever figure out the ideal diet this side of heaven.
And the animal fat, just for the sake of animal fat, thing is still counterintuitive to me. I understand needing flesh and I think I feel better with meat than I did as a vegetarian, but I don't see the point of forcing oneself to eat a lot of fat.
When Molly gets back, she can contribute to the conversation, but we did meet Sally in person. And, honestly, she's a bit rounder than I'd like to be. She talked about adding a whole stick of butter to her kids' oatmeal. She only has two kids. That might have been when I put the book away...
But the diet component of Maker's Diet (which draws heavily on NT) really made sense to me and really, really made me feel better. I should have stuck to it more closely. I'm resolving to do that I soon as I can relate to food normally again. |
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Counterintuitive...that's exactly how I feel about it. But a lot of people I respect are recommending it so I feel compelled to give it a second look. A whole stick of butter on oatmeal for 2? Ewww! I will say I feel a hundred times better with a meat component in my diet than I did as a vegetarian. I understand the lower protein idea in theory, but I feel better when I eat protein regularly, so I've never strived after the super low protein goal. However, I still avoid the high protein recommendations sometimes suggested. And I can't imagine consuming raw meats or organ meats.  Gross.
Maybe I'll look into the Maker's Diet book. That sounds interesting.
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i guess any nutrition plan that claims to have all the answers is probably misguided to some extent. i do think a diet high in good protein is healthy, especially during pregnancy. i also think fermented foods are beneficial (like yogurt or kraut or keifer). i don't soak my grains because i'm too lazy and often get canned. i would not eat raw meat no matter who suggested it. i liked NT because it really made me look at high fructose corn syrup (which seems to be in just about everything!) and processed foods in general. i don't follow it, but it did cause me to make some changes in our diet.
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We do raw cultured veggies here and it is not nearly as scary as it seems at first - not scary at all. They are a quick and very inexpensive way to stock up on the beneficial bacterias for the gut. And the juice from it is good for sugar addicted little ones.
Hemp Oil - by Nature's Way IS THE THING FOR PPD. It has the highest levels of the Omega 3,6,9 that when low leave a person open for PPD.
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I too was vegetarian for many many years. Did the high produce, dairy-free, and whole grain thing. I do think we have been healthier than most people we know, but I feel better since the NT changes. I regret the amount of soy I have ingested over the *health food* years although processed dairy probably WAS causing me problems.
I was thinner as a vegetarian. Whether this is better is unclear. Dh thinks no and says I look more feminine now. Its only about a ten lb difference and might also be age - sigh.
I havent fermented veggies yet. We do milk our own goats and keep chickens. Dh hunts. We certainly LIKE food better with fat I will say.
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Yeah, it's an old thread, but I just read the book and posted my (long) response here.
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Oh my goodness, I forgot about this thread! Its funny it should come up though, as I just finished The Maker's Diet this week.
Elizabeth, are you still impressed with this book, 3 yrs later?
I have since read several books that are advocating things similar to the Nourishing Traditions/Weston Price concept. About 6 months ago, I cut carbs significantly and decided not to worry about fat. I am amazed at how much better I feel when I am eating a higher protein/lower carbohydrate diet. I also read Real Food after reading about it on Elizabeth's blog and was really impressed. I think it dovetails well with NT, but for some reason, spoke to me better than NT did. Maybe I just don't jive well with Sally Fallon?
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Thanks for the review. That is exactly what I thought of the book.
That being said, I'm on a diabetic diet and it was not all that difficult for me to do. Cutting down on carbs has helped me trim a few pounds without even trying. There are many days that I have to make sure to have enough carbs! The nice thing about it is that I don't feel deprived. I can have a cookie vs. no sweets or 15 chips vs. 1/2 the bag. Once I got used to that it got much easier.
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I followed this diet really closely last spring, felt great, my skin looked good, and I lost about 15 lbs.! What happened? I started to get very anxious about the high fat content and didn't know whether or not I should follow such a high fat diet. So I began to waffle! The result was gaining the weight back, feeling worse again, and a loss of energy. This thread has given me the kick I need to try to go back to the NT way of eating. I really think it is a transition process to get into this way of eating, because it does require planning ahead and conscientiousness. It is also a little hard to follow when you are on vacation!
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An interesting side note on this topic is this study which found a significantly greater incidence of infertility in women who consumed mostly low or non-fat dairy as opposed to women who ate at least some full-fat dairy products.
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I have NT sitting on my shelf. I got it last year after reading several threads here. I got it, opened it up, got overwhelmed, closed and put it on the shelf. I just can't handle it.
Regarding the high fat diet, what about people with high cholesterol? my dh has high cholesterol and I'd be afraid of using full fat products.
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You can go to westonaprice.org and read several different articles about their views on cholesterol.
From my limited reading on the subject, it seems doctors really don't know very much about cholesterol and the numbers that they came up with for what is normal/healthy were pretty arbitrary.
There is also a theory that if in fact high levels of cholesterol are an indicator of heart disease, it isn't necessarily the cause of the heart disease but rather the body's reaction to it and some sort of immune response to it. If this were the case, the answer isn't to cut out cholesterol but to adopt a healthier lifestyle that will address the initial problem.
I don't use as much butter as Fallon, but I found that not "worrying" about fat and only buying full fat things was liberating, and both my husband and I are healthier than we were before adopting the diet.
There are also so many facets to this that I think it is possible to adopt it in stages--perhaps the ones that seem most dangerous/easiest/most beneficial in your present circumstance.
For me, I think that white sugar is one of the worst offenders and I would list that as a number one priority, but I have a good friend who follows NT very closely but white sugar is something they have held onto and won't give up. I think she's nuts  , but my point is that you can adopt healthier habits using some of the principles and it doesn't have to be all or nothing, and everyone's priorities won't be the same.
I would recommend reading Real Food and The Maker's Diet as supplements. I got both from our library, and they were a bit more, intuitive?, for me.
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I second reading Real Food, Natalia. I felt exactly the same way when I read NT the first time. It seemed completely counterintuitive to me. But Real Food just made sense to me. Plus, she shared her experience with vegetarianism which mirrored my own in a way (I felt worse rather than better).
I can't seem to get excited about The Maker's Diet. It kind of feels like a big advertisement for the guy's products to me.  Also, I don't know what to think about what he had to say about pork and shellfish.
I also agree with Crunchymom that both dh's and my diet is vastly improved, even with full fat products. We cut out white sugar except for special occasions like birthday parties/holidays. We don't do everything recommended, though. And honestly, I have no plans to add raw meat or organ meats to our diet, even now. Blech.
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I think it tying it to scripture spoke to my evangelical protestant roots It made me see it as "natural" if that is how God commanded his chosen people to eat, yk?
We still can't give up pork and shellfish, though
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