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What logic resources have you used for a high schooler, besides the ones available from Memoria Press? My teen has gone through TL 1& 2. I would like to do something different now rather than continue with Material Logic -- or at least have a few choices to think about.
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WJFR wrote:
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Willa,
Stephen is using "With Good Reason" by S. Morris Engel. It is not formal logic, but a college text that introduces informal fallacies. I wish I had had Adam do this also, because his 2nd English composition class required memorization of many of these fallacies before the students wrote their argumentative essays. I bought the teacher's edition which Stephen uses. It includes all the answers to the exercises. The ISBN for the TM is: 0-312-24245920. If you only want 1/2 the answers (which would be sufficient IMO) you can buy the student edition. The TM for some reason was less expensive. It is a fun text with Far Side cartoons (sort of reminds me Jacob's math). In first 1 or 2 chapters, Stephen bogged down, so I had him skip some of the exercises. It was formal logic in hyperspeed. Stephen has not done Trad. Logic. We were going to do Trad. Log. 1 next semester.
"With Good Reason" is a fun text, but challenging enough. It is not as dry as Trad Log. That's why I chose to begin with it first, because he is having to do it on his own. Hopefully he can plug into Memoria Press's class on Trad. Log. next semester.
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Thanks!!! Stephanie.
It sounds perfect. I guess if you are using it, it's not offensively secular, right? Any other cautions?
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[QUOTE=WJFR] Thanks!!! Stephanie.
It sounds perfect. I guess if you are using it, it's not offensively secular, right? Any other cautions?
Actually, I got the title from the Bluedorns. I once had the "Fallacy Detective" and we did it as a family. But once I bought this book, I found it better for what I wanted. The weird thing was many of the examples from the "Fallacy Detective" are nearly word-for-word from this book. Ummmm. But on page 13 and 161 and 171 I whited out an example. If I can remember correctly one was on divorce and the other may have been about homos*xuals. I just can't remember. But overall, I think it is suitable for my 16 year old though he might find a few more examples that aren't to our taste. I haven't read the book word-for-word. That said, I found some of Bluedorn's examples less than stellar (a few on divorce and domestic abuse, if I remember correctly. But it has been several years since I read it. Either way, there were examples I skipped when I read this book aloud with the kids).
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Willa,
Well, after speaking to Stephen I am going to pull my suggestion until further analysis 
I read about 3 chapters in the middle of the book earlier last year, and I found the book very interesting, but it did have some example problems. That said, nothing worse than the Teaching Company tape issues that I have a problem with on Shakespeare and music or certain issues discussed in Greek literature, etc. He found the first two chapters hard going (he just started). I think he is bogging down on the exercises. So I suggested this evening that he should skip the exercises in chapter 2 and get to the meat of the program in chapter 3 where the informal fallacies begin. (Chapter 1 is formal logic, chapter 2 is a chapter on the medium of language). What I liked about it was it incorporates quotes from Shakespeare, Plato, Chesterton, Einstein, political figures from all ages, etc. It just seemed interesting to ME.
Maybe you could interlibrary loan a copy and read it for yourself first. I really should have read the WHOLE book before handing it to Stephen. Then I would know if his problem is the text or that he needs a little more input from me to make it more interesting. I just don't know. Sixteen is a hard age with all these hormones things going on He could get to the middle of the book and change his mind.
I wanted to give you a head's up. Next time I had better read the WHOLE book before suggesting it. Now to find the time to do this before the kids grow up! But final analysis is that I think the book is worth a look at and I will be reading it as soon as I finish a couple of other books on my ever-increasing list 
Blessings,
Stephanie
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