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I know some here have had athletes who have gone on to play in college. My 16yo plays elite baseball, went to public school for 2.5 years, and has recently returned home to complete his high school education. Since his goal is to continue to play baseball at the college level (hopefully D-1), we now have to contend with the NCAA eligibility stuff.
If there is anyone here who has any pointers (outside of "go to the eligibility clearinghouse website" lol), I'd love to hear them. I'm in the process right now of building his textbook list. I'm curious how flexible NCAA is about using books other than traditional college-prep level textbooks for the core courses.
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Hi Valerie,
Others may be able to help you with more personal experience but my husband is the Associate Athletic Director at a college here in NY and is in charge of NCAA compliance.
He doesn't seem to think that the NCAA would care about the textbooks used in hs. As long as your son is accepted to a college that is what matters. If he has gained admission to a college then he is eligible to play.
My husband works at a D-3 school so it may be different for D-1, but I can't imagine that it is.
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I am watching this thread with great interest. Valerie, please keep posting what you find out! 
Also, I am sure that HSLD would be very helpful as you begin this process. They are always willing to interceded if there is some unfair burden put on homeschooling families over what others need to do.
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There is a big difference between D-3 and D-1 or D-2, with the main thing being that student-athletes interested in a D-3 school do not have to be certified through the NCAA eligibility clearinghouse. For D-1 and D-2, they have to go through the eligibility clearinghouse to ensure they have the right amount of core credits.
As a home educating family, we also need to do a little extra work to show that the core courses we are doing at home are college-prep level. Hence the need for the textbook listing. There is a list of other details we need to be aware of:
Home School Checklist (NCAA Eligbility Clearinghouse)
I will also leave a link to the NCAA Eligibility Clearinghouse website so others can browse for more info. Once at the website, click on "NCAA College-Bound Student-Athletes". This will open a new window. Look for the link for Resources at the top of the page and then click on "Home School Students" for a bunch of pdf files to download.
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We are going through the same thing here.
Have you called them yet? I called, there is a NCAA homeschool coordinator, and they seem to have definitive likes and dislikes.
First the man who answered gave the impression that if you are far off the beaten path, and he has to do a lot work to figure out what you have done, and most especially if curriculum is used that he has not heard of, he doesn't like that. Nt that that should make a difference. I think a list of living books would send him over the edge, this is the impression I got. They definitely want the texts because this is what he uses to judge whether the kiddo has learned what they feel should be learned.
Personally I find this process more intimidating than just applying to colleges. My oldest dd is a senior, no sports. We've handled this okay...but next up I have ree big time basketball players and they are who I'm sweating about! When I talked to HSLDA they said you contact NCAA and work with them. So really...we are stuck in some regards.
I've decided to sign my boys up for Kolbe so we have a transcript provider. The man I spoke to said they have to do more work and looking when mom is the only one backing up the grades. so I'm hoping this will take lots of burden off and bring me more peace of mind about this process.
Have you been working on the sports resumetoo ? This is something I'm getting use to as now I have to be our own little statistician.
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Thanks so much for starting and contributing to this timely subject.
Valerie, what year is your son? Mine is a junior and he's getting support via Baseball Factory. He became eligible to talk with scouts on the 1st. He'll have video made this month then talk with his contact there about schools. While my son will include some dream teams, like D1 ASU, he'll also include a host of others. Since my son isn't sold on D1, we're letting the chips fall where they may. He'll also play with a scout team this spring so we're grateful to be in a supportive environment.
I'll be sure to show my son & husband these links. I'm NOT a fan of the NCAA. I'm not sure how much of their power grab we're willing to be a part of. Right now my son is taking classes at the local junior college. He's not an academic or baseball phenom, but he is a solid student athlete. If the NCAA can recognize that, someplace else will, is our hope.
I'll definitely update here as we learn more. My VERY best to all the student athletes (and their moms!)
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Back to say one more thing D1 baseball, while a school can be D1 that doesn't guarantee great ball. And school that aren't D1 can have great ball. The key, according to everyone we've talked with is, to find a great match. So that's what we're hoping for - which means if we have to acquiesce to NCAA we will .
My son's 2 best friends earned 70% scholarships to D2 schools that look SWEET! Community colleges here are pumping out great players too. Who knew there were so many paths to great ball + great academics!
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Angie Mc wrote:
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I am with ya there! 
This whole NCAA control issues just boils my blood. I am close to a University that has just been handed down SEVERE sanctions because of academic issues. I fear that the NCAA are going to try to change the culture by promoting the *image* of the *student athlete*---but not really dealing with the real issues to make this happen. I hope that everything fairs well for home schoolers.
I mean home schoolers using *living books* is very similar in nature to Derek Rose falsifying transcripts and test scores to get into college for 1 year, right? 
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Betsy wrote:
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FOTFL 
I have to laugh because I'm sure not willing to cry at the hands of these bullies. Goodness, how did THEY gain such authority? And what are they doing with it?
Praise God my son is reasonable and knows that the world is cruel. We've had so many conversations over the years and the bottom line is GOD will place my son exactly where HE wants him, NOT the NCAA. BAM. 
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Angie Mc wrote:
Praise God my son is reasonable and knows that the world is cruel. We've had so many conversations over the years and the bottom line is GOD will place my son exactly where HE wants him, NOT the NCAA. BAM.
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Amen, Sister! My kids are younger, but same conversation!
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Something to keep in mind along with Angie's good ball/bad ball stuff.. a number of our lacrosse players.. the ones good enough to be recruited by the bigger colleges.. are still going for the smaller colleges and the "lower level".. because they're good as freshmen and sophmores they'll get way more playing time now and will get more playing time when they transfer to a bigger college at the higher level.
I don't know if it works like that for baseball.. but it makes sense
Of course our kids aren't really looking for a professional career.. they just want to PLAY. 
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Angie,
I'm so glad you saw my post and are chiming in...I was hoping you would!
DS is a 16yo sophomore, so we have a little bit of time to hash all this out. Fortunately, DH is entrenched in elite baseball and has a vast number of contacts throughout the state and in a good number of other states as well and has been getting good advice.
DS has a website which scouts are directed to which has all his stats for high school, summer, and fall teams; results from the showcases he has attended thus far; photos and (soon) videos. He also has the contact information for all the coaches he has worked with as well as the former MLB players he has taken lessons with. Admittedly, it makes him look pretty impressive.  We know we can't completely rely on any coach to make sure he is seen....that's our job!
KackyK, I haven't called yet, but judging from what I've read elsewhere, what you say above seems to be the case. Since DS is used to schooly-school now, I'm not going to pursue a living books curriculum with him. Luckily, textbooks are cheap and easy to come by these days with so many schools switching to the online editions of texts. I just picked up a used copy of an American History textbook that looks brand new and it was only $5 incl. shipping.
It's kind of funny, though. I mean, his high school English teacher used living books for the bulk of what they did for the first semester: Night, Julius Caesar, Fahrenheit 451, selections from The Odyssey. They have a text, but they didn't touch it at all! Her Honors English 10 is an "approved" course. I have a text which we may or may not get around to using, IYKWIM. Am I going to list every single resource we use for the rest of the year??? Not likely...I will list the schooly things. Just like with the transcript. Instead of putting down Humanities 1 for 3 credits because it's all related and that's how we roll, it goes down as "American History", "English 10", and "Fine Arts." 
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Oh yes, Valerie, it is fun walking this baseball road together. Because my son needed to rehab, he is purposely waiting on this year and next to gather stats, etc. His main goal is to keep playing. Like Jodie was getting at, he would definitely turn down a D1 or D2 to for more play time elsewhere.
Sounds like you son is lined up for D1 - great for you! Most likely not happening here, especially since scholarships are few and far between. Scholarships will get our attention. If not, good ball here.
One question I need to get answered, and if you run across it let me know:
If a player starts at a D2 school, can he transfer to D1? And the like. I get the idea that once committed to a 4 year school you can't transfer without penalty, which may be why community colleges are so popular with ball players.
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I don't know, Angie. Once DH gets back in town, I will ask him if he knows if a kid can transfer and play once committed to a certain school. It might be addressed in the NCAA guide that's in the resources I linked above. I seem to remember seeing something in passing, but I don't remember exactly.
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Thanks for keeping your eyes on that if you happen by the info.
Shall we invent a baseball mom high five?
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Here's the official word from NCAA. I imagine NAIA and others might be similar in their rules:
NCAA Transfer Guide
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Here's a quote from the NCAA Transfer Guide:
"The rules also depend on whether you are currently enrolled at a two-year or a four-year school. For instance, if you are enrolled at a two-year school (some people call that a community college or a junior college) and want to transfer to a Division I or II school, you may need to graduate first from your two-year school before you will be able to play your sport at the new school. If you transfer before you graduate, you may have to wait a year before you can play."
And this: "You must spend one academic year in residence [as a full-time student] at your new school before you are eligible to compete."
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Not sure if this helps, but #2ds went to d3 school for one year and then transferred to a two-year school. He completed the requirements for his associates, quickly, and was able to play for his d1 school, because he graduated from the 2year school. If he hadn't graduated, he would have had to sit out a year, even with the 2year school attendance in between the d3 and d1 schools. Clear as mud?
Personally, I think the NCAA rules are terribly confusing! We are now dealing with this all, again, with #3ds, who is a high school senior.  Bleh.
I hope all goes well for your ds, Valerie!
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This whole thread keeps reminding me that with sports (and really all things with our kids) we need to be their "agents". It is a full time job!!!!!
And, honestly, it's not something our parents understand or even our peers who don't have athleticly gifted children.
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Ugh...I just noticed a "slight" change in the homeschool checklist from NCAA. In it, they state homeschooled students now also need to submit Core Course Worksheets for each core course (english, math, social studnes, foreign language, comparative religion or philosophy). If you haven't had a look at these worksheets, essentially we are being asked to submit not only a course description, but a syllabus including materials used, course objectives, assessments, and who has developed, taught, and evaluated the course!!! I realize this is so they don't have to do all the homework on whether or not we are teaching legitimate college prep courses. While I enjoy doing this kind of schooly stuff, I am really not happy about this. Now, I haven't contacted anyone at NCAA about this to clarify, but seeing that the date on this new checklist is from Nov. 2012, I'm guessing this is a new change that most folks haven't had to deal with yet. ::sigh::
On an up note, the NAIA has considerably less requirements, judging from the info on their Homeschool/GED page.
Would it be wrong to nudge ds towards an NAIA school???
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