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Does anybody know if the Seton Henle First Year lesson plans cover the same as the MODG Latin I and II (unit 1-14)lesson plans? I noticed that the MODG one covers only the exercises marked "essential" in order to get through the whole book in one year. Is that the same case with the Seton plans? I couldn't find a sample of their Latin I lesson plans.
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Fwiw, I would do all the exercises and spend two years on book one. That is my opinion based on doing the book on my own to learn Latin. I haven't used those lesson plans so I can't help there. Martin Cothran did tell me that book two only expects that you did the first half of the book, but he suggested doing the whole first book since there is a lot of good stuff in it.
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Seton's first year of Henle Latin goes through unit 7 (lesson 26). They have the teen do almost all of the exercises, not just the "essential" ones. My daughter likes Seton's approach because she says that it helps in the retention of the vocabulary. According to Seton, Henle Second Year reviews units 7 to 14 of Henle First Year. Thus, it is only necessary for the child to go through unit 6. Assuming they master these units, they are then fine to start Henle Latin Second Year and should have no difficulty reading Caesar.
I think that Memoria Press uses the first book over two years.
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Christine wrote:
Seton's first year of Henle Latin goes through unit 7 (lesson 26). They have the teen do almost all of the exercises, not just the "essential" ones. My daughter likes Seton's approach because she says that it helps in the retention of the vocabulary. According to Seton, Henle Second Year reviews units 7 to 14 of Henle First Year. Thus, it is only necessary for the child to go through unit 6. Assuming they master these units, they are then fine to start Henle Latin Second Year and should have no difficulty reading Caesar.
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When you say "reviews units 7 to 14 of Henle First Year," what does that exactly mean? Do they do the second half of book 1 and book 2 in addition in Latin II? That would be similar to what Kolbe does in Latin II.
One more question, am I correct that Seton incorporates the Latin I Progress Tests? I wonder if MODG does that.
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kristinannie wrote:
| Fwiw, I would do all the exercises and spend two years on book one. That is my opinion based on doing the book on my own to learn Latin. I haven't used those lesson plans so I can't help there. Martin Cothran did tell me that book two only expects that you did the first half of the book, but he suggested doing the whole first book since there is a lot of good stuff in it. |
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Interesting, why is there a second half to the book if it is not so important? I would like to cover one book per year, but was wondering if there is any other syllabus out there that does that than MODG's "Essential" one.
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I think Henle I for a whole year would be difficult to pull off - I"m guessing that's why MODG and Seton do just units 1-7. Remember 1 high school credit = 120 hours of work. I think the entire book would take more hours than that, hence why first 1/2 = Latin I and second 1/2 = Latin II.
Memoria Press goes at a much slower pace than MODG and Seton.
For a Latin 1A credit, MODG does units 1-4, but the beginning of the IB syllabus does an accelerated review of those lessons before having the student complete through unit 7.
I think the Essential Latin would be for a particularly strong Latin student.
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Tami wrote:
I think Henle I for a whole year would be difficult to pull off - I"m guessing that's why MODG and Seton do just units 1-7. Remember 1 high school credit = 120 hours of work. I think the entire book would take more hours than that, hence why first 1/2 = Latin I and second 1/2 = Latin II.
Memoria Press goes at a much slower pace than MODG and Seton.
For a Latin 1A credit, MODG does units 1-4, but the beginning of the IB syllabus does an accelerated review of those lessons before having the student complete through unit 7.
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I guess I have to disagree here. I have a strong Latin background (7 years in school plus a major exam in it) and my children start Latin in grade 3 or 4. I do think it's possible to do this book in a year. My children are also all bilingual (German and English) and thus do know an inflected language already and also do regular school work in it. In addition they are all learning Biblical Greek and French. I'm just trying to find a user friendly syllabus.
I actually read the introduction to Henle Latin I now, and do understand much better how the program is set up. I think just doing the excercises marked "essential" will be fine. If I notice that my student does not understand something I can always add more.
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In describing yourself and your children, Eve, I think you're probably right in that you and your children could handily tackle Henle Latin in a year. (I am glad that Memoria Press has divided the book into a couple of years for moms like me that don't have as strong a background in Latin...or at least didn't until we started homeschooling  ). It's helpful to remember that Fr. Henle wrote the book in the 1940's for exactly the type of student you and your children represent: those that have been immersed in Latin from an early age and a teacher that is quite knowledgeable in the language. And in the 40's, this book was completed in a year.
I can't help with the specifics of your request regarding MODG or Seton plans, but I do think your observation of doing the exercises marked "essential" is good. There are a total of 42 lessons...which is a bit of a drag...because wouldn't it be perfectly easy for planning if there were an even 36? I think each lesson is do-able in a week so that there is time to read, review, practice translations, complete essential exercises, and then correct any errors. There are a few lessons that are shorter than the others, and some review lessons, so it is entirely possible to move through the 42 lessons in a year. And I imagine that's why you're asking about syllabi for the book...so I'll let you get back to those observations from others.
It's an excellent Latin book...regardless of the pace you set!
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pmeilaen wrote:
When you say "reviews units 7 to 14 of Henle First Year," what does that exactly mean? Do they do the second half of book 1 and book 2 in addition in Latin II? That would be similar to what Kolbe does in Latin II. |
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I apologize for not being very clear. Seton does not do the second half of book 1 because Henle Second Year (or book 2) reviews the material found in the second half of book 1.
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One more question, am I correct that Seton incorporates the Latin I Progress Tests? I wonder if MODG does that. |
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Yes, you are correct that Seton incorporates the Latin I Progress Tests.
My daughter would have liked to do the second half of the book because "it looked so interesting", but not at the expense of skipping exercises.
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My daughter did the MODG Latin I and II course in one year - it is a 1 year, 2 credit course. She had done Prima Latina, Latina Christiana and First Form Latin prior to this. The beginning of Henle is easy - but the latter units are much longer. She found it hard work at the end of the course and had to do some summer work to get it done - but this was partly because it was her junior year and she had SATs etc which she had to focus on in the spring.
I am not sure yet how to do it with my sons. We are taking an easy Latin review year for Grade 8 - and then we will start up Henle in Grade 9 - I am thinking of splitting up into 2 years - but am not sure yet.
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Actually, Eva, we do agree: strong Latin student ---> Essential Latin! 
It was interesting in the introduction to see, though, that he says not every class can be expected to complete the 42 lessons, and that 2nd year takes up with a topics from units 8-14.
And he mentions workbooks - I wonder what they looked like back then???
And Jen, I'm with you - Henle is a great series!
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Tami wrote:
And he mentions workbooks - I wonder what they looked like back then???
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This is the workbook for the first book. There is also one for the second book. You can also buy a teacher's manual.
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Oh, wow, Eva, I would not have thought those still existed!
Thanks so much! 
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Thanks for all the great input here. I'll go with the Essential Latin for my 9th grader and 7th grader. We will also use the original workbook. My 9th grader also wants to continue with Lingua Latina and do the New Missal Latin on Sundays to help with serving at the Latin Mass.
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