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I didn't know whether to put this here or somewhere else but it applies to teens. My 16 dd is interested in nursing. Last summer, she applied to be a hospital volunteer to see if indeed it was something she wants to pursue. However, we had to withdraw from the program because they required the MMR vaccine and for religious reasons, we have chosen not to have it. They wouldn't accept a religious exemption. We are looking for other ways to find out if she wants to go to nursing school. We haven't found out yet if it will be a problem with a Catholic university to be exempt from the vaccines. THere is a nice camp in FLorida for kids interested in nursing but it is run by Pensacola college! Anyone have any ideas or is this just a dream that she will have to forego because of religious convictions?
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Lisa, I'm pretty sure she would need the vaccines to be a nursing student, at least before she begins her clinical courses. A friend's dd went into nursing (Steubenville) and it seems to me she needed a TB test and chest x-ray, etc., because of all that they'll get exposed to.
I wonder what happens,in general, at the college level for students who aren't vaccinated... it would certainly be worth investigating now...
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Lisa, I'm pretty sure that she won't be able to gain entry into any nursing college without getting the vaccines. However, there are alternatives to the MMR, specifically, she could receive the vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella as separate shots and from non-fetal cell lines. The site, Ethical alternatvies to Fetal Cell Lines might be a place to start...
Because she wouldn't be receiving the standard vaccinations, I would also suggest that she get titres done to show that she has developed immunity to any diseases she has been vaccinated for. This is generally done via a blood test.
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that all of this would have to be paid for by you. As well, you would have to check on availability. We tried getting the MMR shot divided here in Canada and, while the public health nurse did look into this for us, she discovered that it is not available in Canada. And our son's doctor, who understood our reasons for seeking this (at the time, related to autism, but now I'm concerned about the ethics of fetal cell lines for developing vaccines as well), wasn't able to help us either.
Well, hope this helps some. Good luck!
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I can't speak to specifics like getting into a nursing program but can for general college admission...
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In general, they threaten you just like they do in the elemenarty and high school settings, with things like "not being able to register," "not being able to get grades," etc, etc. but when it comes down to it you can probably sign a waiver for exemption. I know it is different at different schools mostly depending on what the public health laws are for the state and I do suggest you check into that for each college/state.
My son is a freshman in college this year out of state. While they don't ever offer the information that there is an "option," when we talked to the health department at his university he just had to go in and sign a waiver that they have on file. His paperwork said that he would not be able to register if we did not turn in immunization records to the health department by a certain date. He still was able to register with no questions asked and we didn't turn in the waiver until after that. We do know that if there is an outbreak of something on campus, he could be barred from living on campus and attending classes during that time.
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MaryM wrote:
In general, they threaten you just like they do in the elemenarty and high school settings, with things like "not being able to register," "not being able to get grades," etc, etc. but when it comes down to it you can probably sign a waiver for exemption...
My son is a freshman in college this year out of state. While they don't ever offer the information that there is an "option," when we talked to the health department at his university he just had to go in and sign a waiver that they have on file. |
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So you've been this route already, Mary! Glad it worked out for your son. 
Like Taffy said, I don't know that this would happen for someone in a health-care major, but it's good to know that it is possible for many students.
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Thank you for the ethical alternatives link.
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Don't know about in the nursing profession - but as far as a religious exemption in the state it was a breeze here. The big thing is for the child to do all the asking - my dd called the school, asked how to get a religious exemption and they told her. We handed in blue card records for what she did have (things we did before we knew about fetal tissue and other issues) and the docs signature on a religious exemption (we have a great pediatrician!) When everyone else handed in their forms, we handed in ours and no one batted an eye. I doubt they even know really know. No one said anything to us about not being able to take classes (but my guess is that if there were a major public health epidemic, she would probably be offered the vaccine at that time and then asked to come home otherwise - if someone bothered to go through all umpty billion records at the university  .
Our experience with University has been the child gets very quick results. The parents are viewed as interfering busy bodies - so have the child do the checking.
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My daughter is in her last year of nursing school. She HAD to have every immunization/vaccine known.
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Hi Lisa,
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Yep. Working in the Public Health Service, my dh has needed to receive vaccines. If there was any way around this, and I do mean that my dh is very good at working within a system, he would have found it. At one time he was very concerned about his weakening immune system connected to increased asthmatic symptoms while also being bombarded with many vaccines in order to deploy for disaster relief. This leads me to believe that there isn't a way around being in a traditional health/medical field and being vaccinated.
BTW, my dh has had no asthmatic symptoms since our move to AZ. God is so good!
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Putting ethical considerations aside, if your daughter was a nurse, she would be exposed to those diseases. If she is not vaccinated she will be at risk of contracting them.
I am certainly not advocating getting vaccinations against your convictions, but perhaps re-thinking career choices based on them. My husband is an ER nurse and it is a risky job, health-wise.
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