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As I try to plan for next year for dd13 and we look at various literature courses such as Kolbe's Jr high, Kolbe's 9th grade, MODG's 9th grade and even Classical Conversations, my daughter has read almost all of the books.
I like the support of a literature course but do I make her read them again? Do we just do the few she hasn't read? Or do we forgo using a set plan of study and move on to new literature? Does she need to follow a course, or is "just reading" sufficient as she moves into high school level work?
I feel like I am standing at a crossroads looking at all the various philosophies and methods and don't know which direction to go. 
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Is she already at that highschool point at 13?
There are so many wonderful books out there I would be only requiring her to reread ones that I know that are important to you for her to dig deeply in, ones she may have read when she was much younger but could get alot more out of at this point.
My 2 cents....
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I'm planning for one year ahead with a girl who is a book nut as well. Its definitely a challenge...I am waffling between programs that have a defined list (like Kolbe's Jr. high, which I love) and the option of using study guides so that we can pick and choose books (like the CHC Catholic lit. guides, and one member here told me that Progeny Press guides were harmless enough...). I've also glanced here and there at Seton's lit. texts as a resource, wondering if they maybe have the full text of short stories and poetry with a Catholic bent in the questions, and then just avoid the excerpts from novels that are in the text???
I don't know what the solution is, but I feel your pain...
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Wow, Molly, I could have written your post too! I don't really have anything to add as I have the same questions about my dd. The only thing I can say is that it's possible, when rereading a book, that the story comes alive in new ways. Also, I'm hoping the Kolbe course brings her some new perspective as she reads these familiar books.
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Could individual book studies help you here? There are some at Catholic Heritage Curriculum (look on the left side) and also Progeny Press carries quite a few which are approached from a Christian (not specifically Catholic) perspective. Maybe some of these could substitute for works your dd's have already read. Remember, too, that reading a book is quite different from analyzing it, which is the skill developed in high school literature. One can always dig more deeply into an excellent piece of literature. In fact, in the classic How to Read a Book, which I highly recommend for the high school level, the first step in approaching a piece of literature is to read it through once, and then to read it again with a more discerning eye. So you could consider that your daughters have done step one, and go on to that deeper study which requires subsequent readings.
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Molly
I definitely relate, which is the reason why we choose not to buy a set curriculum. We have 'neglected' a formal literature study to date but are planning on looking at a few progeny press studies. But when I suggested analyzing at 13 to my dd she was not happy. I do think now at 15 she is ready.
Caroline, I really must purchase that book.
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Thanks ladies. Good to know I am not alone.
Caroline, I bought How to Read a Book after you suggested it on the Sonlight thread! I also have IEW's Teaching the Classics. So, I should be able to glean enough guidance from those.
I am really new to this whole idea of piecing things together at the high school level. How do I know how much to do? How does it all work on a transcript? I like the idea of using individual guides, I just want to make sure she is learning what she "needs" and the selection is diverse enough. I also worry, as I said before, about not following through. She will read whatever I give her, but I am not consistent enough to get with her about it.
Honestly, having seen what my oldest has done in public school and listening to his sadly under-educated peers talk, I don't know what I am worried about! Dd 13 is already far more educated than these kids that are graduating next month.
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Honestly, having seen what my oldest has done in public school and listening to his sadly under-educated peers talk, I don't know what I am worried about! Dd 13 is already far more educated than these kids that are graduating next month. |
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Keep this quote in front of you for the next four years! Remember that the schools almost never finish a text book, and also have a really limited curriculum. They rarely have a chance to do the kind of in-depth study that truly makes a student.
As far as planning for high school, the first thing to do is to get a list of your state's requirements for graduation, and also a list from the college(s) your student hopes to attend. Usually the college list will be more extensive than the state requirements. List the courses you will need to complete, and then schedule out the four years of high school. You can fill in the specific books/materials/approaches as you come to each year, but this way you won't arrive at your senior year and discover that your child needs three years of a foreign language, or some such thing. A very informative and helpful pamphlet from Kolbe Academy ishttp://www.kolbeforum.org/KolbeDocs/Catalog/KolbePublicati ons.pdf. This costs $10 and is worth every penny. It details high school requirements, when to take tests such as the PSAT, the ACT, and the SAT and other very useful info. The number one most important thing you can do is to pre-plan the entire high school curriculum.
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Oops, sorry about the improper link. Here it is: Parent as Counselor Sure hope it works this time!
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Molly,
I was going to say what Caroline said. Even if she has read the books, it is different to read a book when you are 10, 11 or 12 that it is to read it when you are older. This is specially true of good books. Great books often have different layers of meaning. Also I think there is a difference between reading a book for pleasure and reading it with literary analysis in mind. Also some of the simpler books, that she has read already, can be better vehicles to learn analysis precisely because she has already read them.
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Thank you ladies! As I read your responses and start to consider things more, I am feeling more comfortable with the idea of letting her pick books she hasn't read and using guides, as well as going back and reading a few again that really lend themselves to deeper digging.
I was just petrified of trying to go this on our own. I am calmer now. I cannot express enough what this forum means to me! 
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Molly
I was wondering about starting another thread, or continue here of a booklist of recommendations. I am really needing help in this area myself. We need to start accessing our library more and I need lists. What do you think?
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I am a fan of re-reading for myself, but my dd 13 would tell me it was a waste of time to read books she's already read, and is not very open to the idea that every time you read them it's something new, something deeper. I don't know whether that is likely to be your dd's reaction, Molly. I have found that Hewitt Homeschooling's Lightning Literature courses include some books that are new to us. You might want to look at that. You can just buy the course you want; you don't need to enroll with them to get the materials.
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I'm planning to use Lightning Literature again next year, too - wish I'd known about it sooner.
There's a lot of course material on Shakespeare from LL, for example - you could do an entire semester or even a year on Shakespeare alone.
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I was just looking through the newest catalog from Ignatius Press and they have a series called "Critical Editions." From the catalog description:
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| The Ignatius Critical Editions series represents a tradition-oriented approach to reading the classics of world literature. While many modern critical editions have succumbed to the fads of modernism and post-modernism, this series concentrates on critical examinations informed by our Judeo-Christian heritage as passed down through the ages -- the same heritage that provided the crucible in which the great authors formed these classic works. |
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Most of the books run about $13 while the study guides are about $4. They even offer bulk discounts if you want to use it for a group.
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