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Jylana and Mike say they agree on every issue except one: whether or not
to home school their children. Right now, Jylana has begun to home
school their 4-year-old son, Malikhi.
“Mike and I are on opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to home
schooling our son,” says Jylana. “I feel that we should home school our
children. When I was in 6th grade, I had someone ask me if I wanted to
smoke pot. I would like to keep Malikhi out of the area where kids are
doing those things. I feel that Malikhi is advanced for his age. I feel
the school system isn’t equipped to handle a child this advanced. I
don’t want him to be getting in trouble in school because of his short
attention span. I absolutely feel that I would be letting my son down if
I were to send him to public school. I know I’m right about this.”
“I feel that Malikhi should go to public school so he’s not stunted
socially,” says Mike. “I think that Malikhi is not going to be able to
attend school dances, be in the school play, he’s not going to have
opportunities to be in the athletics. I think it’s difficult for home
schooled kids to adjust to the real world. On this issue, I know I’m right.”
Dr. Phil dispels a fear they have that their son may have ADD because of
his short attention span. Dr. Frank Lawlis, author of /The ADD Answer/,
says it’s too soon to be worrying about whether their son has ADD. “This
doesn’t happen really with any kind of acuity until 6 or 7,” Dr. Lawlis
tells them.
“So don’t worry about that yet,” says Dr. Phil. “Why are you so worried
that this is a bad thing to do?” he asks Mike.
“I think that by keeping him out of groups, he’s not going to be able to
function in a diverse society. We’re going to take him out of what is
real in the world and show him what we want him to see,” says Mark.
Dr. Phil brings up the research. “The truth is, the research shows there
is absolutely no disruption of social development and evolution in
children who are home schooled up through the eighth grade,” he tells
them. “But that presupposes that the parents are willing to make the
time commitment, the money commitment, the lifestyle commitment to
provide that academic environment for the child at home. And then to
take them to participate in extra-curricular activities of their peer
group. Like the Boys and Girls Club, the YMCA, the church groups and
socials, and sports and choirs and things like that. Once kids get to
high school, social development is important. They become more
independent. They want to interact on their own. They’re post-pubescent.
And so they don’t do well in a home school environment in high school as
they do socially in a public or private school.”
As for who's right, Dr. Phil sides with Jylana's position. “The truth
is, he's not going to be some nerd who’s scared of his own shadow if
they’re home schooled, if you do a good job with the home schooling, and
you get him into the extra-curricular activities after the fact.”
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Who saw this show yesterday? I'm hoping he fleshed out his high school assertions a little better. Wonder what he would think of Libby and her violin? Michael and a soccer ball? Our friend Keenan and the New York Ballet? The kids on farms who run the place by the time they are 16? The kids with jobs and apprenticeships?
Homeschooling in high school leaves room for passion...(and not the makeout under the stairs by the school gym kind  )
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I didn't see this show, Elizabeth, but I was bracing myself to read worse comments about hs'ing. We all know Dr. Phil is off the mark here about high schoolers, but hey, I'll give him some credit 
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I didn't see it either. I do think it's more difficult to homeschool during high school, but it's definitely possible, and can be WONDERFUL! For us, I believe the positives that they can become the true people that God wants them to be, having the freedom for passions (as you said, Elizabeth) FAR outweigh the negatives.
And if we're careful that we are stepping back, and they're stepping forward, yet there to help them through the tough times, and scary times, they will become beautiful creations of God.
What's so bad about that?????
I am glad that he was able to dispell some of the inaccuracies of homeschooling though. That is good!
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I'm thankful he did give the plug he did for K-8 because the more people that get their kids out of the p.s. the better off we'll all be. Plus, the families who move into homeschooling because of his advice or the research he quoted will benefit in ways that aren't expressed in the studies.
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Yes Gwen, plus once they are homeschooling, and do more research, they may find homeschooling through high school is definitely doable.
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I don't watch him, but oddly enough, received an email about another of his shows and Planned Parenthood. Apparently, he is very pro PP and has recommended birth control for teens. I'll try to get the link here when I have a few minutes. Did anyone see that one?
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How sad!
We don't watch him either, so I didn't see either show. I just don't "get" people sometimes! 
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I was sent this article (below, and link to article below) in my email from HSLDA on their Elert. It's great to get those to my email too to know what's going on.
They're on it, and want our teens to write to the show!
The Dr. Phil Show
This afternoon, Tuesday October 18, the Dr. Phil Show aired a segment on homeschooling. You can read the transcript of the show, "No Room to Compromise" here. Note that you will have to scroll down to see this story.
HSLDA agrees with Dr. Phil when he said that, "Children who are home schooled through eighth grade exhibit no disruption in social development and evolution."
We appreciate that Dr. Phil recognizes that homeschooling is a viable education alternative up until 8th grade. However, we strongly disagree with the next statement by Dr. Phil when he said that once homeschooled children pass the 8th grade, "They become more independent and benefit more from being in a public or private school."
HSLDA has conducted research on the "socialization question" and discovered that homeschoolers do not struggle through the high school years but are in fact succeeding in society. The study Homeschooling Grows Up shows that upon graduation the average homeschooled student is more involved with his community than the average public schooled student, finds work in all walks of life, is satisfied with his life, and is glad that he was homeschooled.
We are unaware of any research which demonstrates that homeschooled children will struggle socially between 8th and 12th grade.
Dr. Phil said at the end of the show that he had research to support all his claims.
We have contacted the show via email and phone and are waiting for a reply.
In the meantime, HSLDA encourages teens from homeschool families to write to The Dr. Phil Show in order to demonstrate that homeschool teens do in fact participate in numerous social activities.
The address is:
The Dr. Phil Show
5482 Wilshire Boulevard #1902
Los Angeles, CA 90036
HSLDA Dr. Phil article
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