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I'd like your thoughts on this. My daughter, will turn 14 this fall, is convinced that she either will be a nun or a SAHM of 20 children. She appears dead set against college and a career at this point. I should also put in that this child is no scholar - everything is a struggle for her academically. She is light years behind in math.
I'm struggling because all of the Catholic materials I see for high school level appear rigorous and for the college bound student. I can't see her making it through this type of high school course, yet neither do I want to short change her h.s. education - she may yet decide on college, etc. I am at a loss as to what path to take with her. (Whereas I'm sure her younger brother will sail easily through h.s. with a program like Seton.)
Any experienced with high schoolers care to advise?
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I'm running out the door, Jenny, but wanted to mention the resource High School of Your Dreams. It discusses and gives specific ideas for how to approach different high school tracks.
(Whatever you do decide to do, please do provide your daughter with a high school transcript...I was surprised to find that some homeschoolers who choose to not go to college don't bother with getting a transcript but a transcript is important for many reasons other than applying to college.)
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Yes, I agree with Angie. CHC has a very nice approach for the non-traditional learner. It would be fun, anyway, to keep a log of whatever activities your daughter does involve herself in -- and might give clues for where her gifts and vocation are. The CHC approach doesn't rule out college, it just allows the child to get "credit" for different types of gifts.
I would just keep going from where she is in math and the basic subjects, even if it doesn't tally with the grade levels in the rigorous Catholic programs. As you say, she may change her mind later. I knew lots of people in college who hated the sight of a math book and hadn't gone very far in math and science in high school.
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I have one who isn't behind, but is so *not* interested in desks and traditional learning that we are looking into all sorts of alternative opportunities.
One thing to look into is your county's career ctr. Ours offers prep. all the way to licensing in some subjects (this is for jr's and seniors). A child who is bound for homemaking can still benefit from a marketable skill. If she is determined to be a religious, you might want to research communities willing to take a woman who is not college educated. I knew a family who had a problem with this several years ago and her dd eventually entered a community in France because no US community would accept her... 
As for what her high school education should look like??? I would say similar to a generic college prep. program in coursework, but not necessarily ultra challenging. For instance, SL's cores 6, 7 and 100 are considered junior high level by SL, but any child who has studied them will be lightyears ahead of most Americans. NARS does allow them to be used for high school, and I think its especially important to provide a transcript for her with some sort of legitimacy behind it (NARS or Kolbe with your own program). I think MODG's science programs 9-11 are gentler than average and easier to accomplish at home than many. Math and language arts can continue to be catered to her level. CHC's high school of your dreams might be really helpful for thinking through the process.
hope this helps!
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My dd is probably entering the religious life this fall. All of the communities we looked into (in the US) did NOT require college. I think it depends on the type of order. My dd looked at traditional Latin Mass only orders and most of them are cloistered. However, we found that the teaching orders did not require it either because they trained their teachers. Private school teachers do not have to have a degree. So, it may be just certain orders. Starting in 9th grade, dd began researching orders and visited some nuns locally to get a feel for that kind of life. In the last two years, she began corresponding with orders she was interested in and this past year, she has visited several.
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LLMom, I'm just curious - does she have an accredited diploma or did you do her transcript yourself?
This is part of my panic attack - that she would be turned away from religious orders for not having an accredited diploma.
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She will (if she can pass Latin  ) have a diploma from Seton. This was her choice; she just enrolled full-time for her senior year. All of the orders she contacted did not ask about an accredited diploma. If you are really concerned, there are a few programs (like Seton and MODG) that have a special needs high school program which will modify the work to her speed and she could still get a diploma. From our research on college, they look more at SAT scores. If she did decide to go to college, going to a community college for a year or two is an option because when she enters a university after that, they will only look at her college stuff.
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I think if this were my daughter that I would tell her that being either a nun, and probably more particularly the mother of 20+ children will require a good bit of hard work on her part. When I think of all the different "hats" that I wear as a stay-at-home/homeschooling mother, I look back on my past with longing and wish that I had studied certain subjects with far more diligence, not less. We are mother, teacher, nurse, chauffeur, cook, baker, coach, cheerleader, counselor...and those are only the first things that come to my head.
Economics would be high on my list of priorities for her. Learning to write budgets, balance checkbooks, do taxes...oh, how I wish I had taken that accounting class now! I would teach her how to cook on a budget and from a well-stocked pantry, how to write up a grocery list and not buy on impulse. I would have her take some CPR and first aid type class. If she plays instruments, I would have her devote more time to perfecting her skills so that she might some day be able to use those same skills to supplement her families income, or to provide for her self, should neither of the aforementioned goals work out. I would teach her how to sew. If I had enough courage, I would probably turn over the management of my house to her for a whole semester so that she could see that what we do is probably the hardest job there is.
I would focus on common sense life skills that will serve her on any path that she chooses to follow. Just my two cents!
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I had also heard for many years many religious orders would not accept you without a college degree. I think this was an issue because there was a period where women used religious orders to get a paid education and then left. It was bankrupting the orders.
They may be getting less picky about that now because the number of young women considering the religious life is so low. Orders are having to turn away women over forty because they know they will not get as many work years out of them to offset the cost of continuing health care.
I agree with others about playing up home-making skills: budgeting, handling bills, and balancing the checkbook are all real-life math lessons. And perhaps it would be wise to consider some sort of vocational program as a back up until Mr. Right comes along.
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