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I have hit a real wall here.
I have never learned those skills and I am struggling with teaching them.
DD15 and DD13 both need to learn these, and dd8 will need to do so in the next 2 years as well.
Taking notes - they want to just rewrite everything thing,
Studying, they read their books, as their notes aren't really happening! There has to be a better way.
I have tried the outline method as Susan Wise Bauer but it didn't work.
I really want them to master this.
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This may not be exactly what you are looking for, but I purchased The Everything Guide to Study Skills for my high schooler. It has a chapter on taking notes in class, and a chapter on notetaking at home. I liked the strategies that were suggested.
I don't remember if I was taught note-taking in school. I think it is a learned skill, though.
HTH!
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I just opened my reader and saw that LindaFay posted today about notetaking. She included some links to sources I haven't looked at yet, but it might be worth checking out.
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IEW also has a DVD on advanced notetaking. Here is a review of it.
I guess I would wait until high school, though. I think before that it is not really necessary to learn and use those skills.
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We usually practice notetaking and outlining using online speeches and sermons. Actually listening to someone speak really forces us to write quickly, succinctly, and orderly.
One of our recent favorites was a series of short speeches by Peter Kreeft on the topic of happiness. ( http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/philosophy/ph0086. htm) This one was particularly nice because along with the mp3, the speech is also provided in written form. We could easily go back and find those wonderful quotes we didn't quite get down while notetaking.
There are also a lot of excellent podcasts at https://www.instituteofcatholicculture.org/ . Since most of them are close to an hour, I divide them up into 15 minute increments.
We usually listen to about fifteen minutes of a podcast and write notes as well as we can. (I do this along with my high schoolers.) Then, using the white board and all three of our brains, we try to reconstruct the speech's main points and great quotes in outline form. Because most speeches don't necessarily follow a I, II, A, B, i,ii, outline form, we just follow the general pattern, using underlining, caps, indentations, etc to make our notes useful to us.
To practice strict outline form, we sometimes use essays or newspaper articles.
I think this method bears good fruit, both in the study skills gained and in the information learned. And, it's free :-)
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Pre-high-school, a version of oral/written narration can be good practice: what I mean by "a version" is that (contra CM, maybe) you can ask your child occasionally to focus simply on pulling the main idea from a paragraph or short passage, and/or one or two really important, top-priority details. I guess this is kind of the opposite of "tell me everything you know" -- or else it's "tell me, in extreme shorthand, because we have two seconds, everything you know."
My daughter read a helpful book called How to Study in College (sorry, I don't know the author, and she has it at school with her), which offered some interesting strategies. One was to divide your paper into two vertical sections/columns. On one side you write notes as you listen/read. On the other side, you come up with three questions about what you just heard/read. The idea is that if you can formulate questions about the material, you've basically understood and synthesized it.
We use Teaching Company lectures for practice in notetaking while listening. It's true that at first the student tries to write down everything, verbatim (and mine usually insist at the beginning that they MUST do this), but they quickly learn that this is a) impossible and b) not that helpful when they go back to study their notes. The stubborn people in my house have to learn this lesson the hard way -- when I try to explain about picking and choosing what to write down, they think I'm trying to get them to be lazy or something. Sigh. OK, kids. Have at it. Let me know when you hit the wall . . .
Outlining does really help, too, especially as a way, as Diana says, of reconstructing something from memory. What a great exercise! I'm going to remember to do more of that.
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IEW has taught our DD 14 to notetake.
It was a skill I wasn't too good at either, but now with IEW I have the knowledge and the confidence to teach and guide, and dd does as well.
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We found IEW's Fun and Fascinating a great introduction to note taking.
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Dd 14yr outlines chapters. She does it in small chunks at a time. So read a bit, then outline that bit. The next day, she reviews the outline from the day before then reads some more and out lines that. Even within one days reading - she will stop reading at every paragraph and outline. If the textbook has questions within the chapter she answers those right on the same page as the outline - usually the answers to the questions are right there in the outline! Really, its a good habit to get into - and something they will use in college too. With an outline they will get the main ideas and most of the details (if you tell them to pick out just 2 details per paragraph - thats all they will remember!). The above outlining she will do with her textbooks - currently with Biology textbook, geography textbook and the dideche religion textbook. Oh and when starting out - it may be helpful to read and do some outlining together. Instead of watching a dvd on it. It is more helpful to sit together with the same textbook and show them how. Also, my dd doesn't use a strict roman numeral, letters and number outline form. She has her own way very similar in looks but doesn't waste time keeping track of roman numerals. . .
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I agree with Barb, -above- We did exactly this. We outlined together, it was the IEW that glued the notetaking together for her.
She outlines every report or composition she writes.
She summarised every chapter of Modern Nen of History, for retention of the information, but also practicing notetaking.
DD doesn't do the roman numerals either, just puts like terms together.
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