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OK, we're using Seton, I LOVE the idea of living learning... but I'm afraid I'm not in a place to "write my own curriculum" (and dh is scared of CM a bit)
So we're currently using Seton for my 4th and 1st graders..but they both kind of find it dull. lifeless.
Would CHC be a good transition? it seems a little more family friendly, maybe? 
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We've used some CHC materials with good success, although I've never used CHC exclusively...mostly because I fell in love with the whole living books idea and we've read so many wonderful books over the years for history, science, literature - even math. If you stick to CHC exclusively you still do a lot of reading, but not as much as *I* personally prefer!
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Thanks, I'm looking to "ease" into CM and Real Learning.. being new to homeschooling, and having a 5mo in the house I'm afraid to jump all in and screw up the kids!! 
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Your statement above reminds me of this post that I found so true: There Will Be Gaps
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mama2many wrote:
OK, we're using Seton, I LOVE the idea of living learning... but I'm afraid I'm not in a place to "write my own curriculum" (and dh is scared of CM a bit)
So we're currently using Seton for my 4th and 1st graders..but they both kind of find it dull. lifeless.
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I too have used CHC at various times over the years. I find them to be gentle and lovely in their Catholic content. Like Nancy, I do find that the content, the rich meat that is so abundant through the use of living books, just isn't as strong a presence in CHC as using a Charlotte Mason structured education. The method of work offered through CHC isn't necessarily the same method CM advocates either (composer study, artist study, nature study, language arts through living books, etc.), though I would overall consider the approach of CHC to be gentle. That's a comparison of CM to CHC, not a condemnation. I'm not sure I'd say CHC is a transition to CM, but they certainly offer a number of nice offerings, many of which our family has enjoyed.
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Have you considered using Mater Amabilis? It's written and laid out for you.
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I have, but here's my MA question... is it FAMILY friendly?? I have a preK, 4th, 1st and 2yo as well as the baby.. I feel like we're too "apart" during the day right now.
I want something that will bring us all together, ya know? I feel like God called us home for a reason, not to have kids all in different rooms for "school"
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I have, but here's my MA question... is it FAMILY friendly?? I have a preK, 4th, 1st and 2yo as well as the baby.. I feel like we're too "apart" during the day right now.
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I think it is...but it isn't family friendly because it is Mater Amabilis, but because of the method used. You won't find a gazillion workbooks for grammar and handwriting and science and...and... These subjects are accomplished through the method of CM - living books. This means the children read, and form relationships with their reading, and then they narrate it to you. There is relationship between the child and the book. And further relationship is cultivated between parent and child through the narration and the connection to living learning throughout the day. I've never found a more family centered way of learning with a variety of ages. This relationship nurturing aspect is a part of the Charlotte Mason philosophy of education and because Mater Amabilis seeks to provide families with a structured CM education with the content blanks already filled in for you, you will find it there as well.
Charlotte Mason believed strongly that education was the science of relations. These "relationships" are found everywhere - through the content of a living book which speaks directly to a child...through the relationship which is nurtured and kept open between parent and child through learning alongside and narrations...through the connections the child spontaneously makes as his eyes are opened to wonder. Once a child is no longer force-fed information/facts, they begin to connect with and form relationship with the world, with rich & whole ideas through their reading (not watered down blurbs), their environment, God's creation, their place in it. It's a double blessing to be a part of this method of education - a blessing for the child, whose sense of wonder is embraced and encouraged, and a blessing for the parent who begins to see again with the eyes of a child.
So, yes, I believe that MA is family friendly. There is a forum set up for the users of the program, and you can always ask questions here as well. One of the reasons we created the Planning and Ordering Your Days forum was to facilitate discussions and help brainstorm these exact "rubber meets the road" questions in implementing a family friendly living learning education.
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Adding my thoughts:
I think CHC is very CM friendly. You can definitely use it as a spine and make it very CM-like. For example, in second grade CHC does a Tour the Continents geography unit throughout the year. You can easily use the CHC lesson plans for that, which are very short and can be done with many age levels at once, and add in lots of living books to make it very CMish. Easy. Interesting. Kids love this.
Also, CHC uses many books that my kids love- the Treasure Box series, the Devotional Stories for Little Folks series (my kids LOVE those stories). Since CHC closely follows the liturgical year, it is easy to supplement with living books for feast days, etc. CHC's Stories From Science are also very interesting, can be supplemented with living books and appeal to many ages.
I think CHC Is a great choice for moms who want the help of a planned curriculum and yet still want to be able to easily jump off into CM. It's very flexible.
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I personally use CHC as my default curricula provider.
We follow the curricula fairly closely for grades 1-3 (with added children's classics and history reading). The higher grades have required more adjustments as we don't live in the US but we still use a fair amount of CHC materials.
I also supplement with library books on the subjects we are studying, For the Love of Literature is a great resource for this. To keep the expections reasonable for the children most of these supplementary books are for free reading rather then required reading.
BTW I started by picking out my materials subject by subject and making my own lesson plans until it started to get too much for me. I found the CHC lesson plans to be a good compromise as the plans were done for me but there was plenty of room for changes and adjustments.
I'd agree that it would be fairly easy to use CM methods with the CHC materials and adding more living books. It helps that there is not much 'twaddle' in the CM materials, very little that is written in a forced, unnatural style.
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mama2many wrote:
I have, but here's my MA question... is it FAMILY friendly?? I have a preK, 4th, 1st and 2yo as well as the baby.. I feel like we're too "apart" during the day right now.
I want something that will bring us all together, ya know? I feel like God called us home for a reason, not to have kids all in different rooms for "school" |
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I wanted to add a bit more practical observation because practical is where we live, right?!
Practically speaking, how is MA and CM family friendly?
Content blanks have been filled in for you! It's great for easing into a structured CM education if you are not sure about choosing books for children, or if you just don't have time to go through and pick out books. If you want to pursue the philosophy and method of a CM education, Mater Amabilis offers you those practical helps and removes a number of variables which frees up your time.
It is an extremely frugal and efficient use of time!! A CM education is about a child taking responsibility for his/her education - self-education. This does not imply a lack of your involvement, or a hands-off education, but rather allows the child the responsibility of his own education. You provide a carefully considered booklist and basic plan (whether of your own devising or something like MA), and then allow the other methods within this philosophy (narration especially) to cement the learning.
The burden of teaching is removed from your shoulders and placed on the shoulders of the author of a living book. As a child narrates the ideas and information, he retells it in his own way/words, and he knows it. Education takes place right there.
These ideas can be lived out within family life - it becomes a lifestyle of learning rather than a box that is checked.
It really is quite simple. In fact, it's so simple that once you get into the nitty-gritty of it you can be tempted to question, "Is this it?" It only becomes complicated when we over-complicate it by back filling with extras we think might be necessary...thinking that surely this can't be it!
The best way to discern if MA is the family friendly curriculum which is a best fit for your family is to really spend some time with it. Brainstorm it. List the challenges as you see them. Get some things on paper. Get out a blank calendar/planner page and see if the plans from MA translate well onto your calendar/planner. Keep an open mind and seek creative solutions as you dig further. Get your hands dirty.
We could probably tackle more specifics as you encounter them if you decide to go that route. Hope this has been helpful so you can discern if this is something you'd like to look at closely.
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I have, but here's my MA question... is it FAMILY friendly?? I have a preK, 4th, 1st and 2yo as well as the baby.. I feel like we're too "apart" during the day right now.
I want something that will bring us all together, ya know? I feel like God called us home for a reason, not to have kids all in different rooms for "school" |
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I think it is...but it isn't family friendly because it is Mater Amabilis, but because of the method used. ...through the connections the child spontaneously makes as his eyes are opened to wonder. It's a double blessing to be a part of this method of education - a blessing for the child, whose sense of wonder is embraced and encouraged, and a blessing for the parent who begins to see again with the eyes of a child. |
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Well said, Jen! Not to disparage CHC at all, but I find it harder to "bring us together" when everyone at the different grade levels is in a different book on a different page. In this way, CHC is like Seton - kids are separated in their study. You can pull them together for history by using just one grade level as a family that they recommend for one grade. The way that CHC might serve as a transition to CM-style is to have some workbooks around for times when you need them. You could also ease in by doing history and science and reading using living books and narrations the first year with CHC for the other things.
Once you start having conversations with your children about the things they read and they start making connections and you see the relationships in actions, you will not want to go back!!
As to your husband's concerns about CM, I'm sure that has been addressed on this board before. Wasn't there a thread once on is CM anti-Catholic? But easier than that, look at Mater Amabilis with him and he'll see that there is nothing to "fear."
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Mackfam wrote:
Content blanks have been filled in for you! It's great for easing into a structured CM education if you are not sure about choosing books for children, or if you just don't have time to go through and pick out books. If you want to pursue the philosophy and method of a CM education, Mater Amabilis offers you those practical helps and removes a number of variables which frees up your time.
It is an extremely frugal and efficient use of time!! A CM education is about a child taking responsibility for his/her education - self-education. This does not imply a lack of your involvement, or a hands-off education, but rather allows the child the responsibility of his own education. You provide a carefully considered booklist and basic plan (whether of your own devising or something like MA), and then allow the other methods within this philosophy (narration especially) to cement the learning.
The burden of teaching is removed from your shoulders and placed on the shoulders of the author of a living book. As a child narrates the ideas and information, he retells it in his own way/words, and he knows it. Education takes place right there.
These ideas can be lived out within family life - it becomes a lifestyle of learning rather than a box that is checked.
It really is quite simple. In fact, it's so simple that once you get into the nitty-gritty of it you can be tempted to question, "Is this it?" It only becomes complicated when we over-complicate it by back filling with extras we think might be necessary...thinking that surely this can't be it!
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I couldn't have said it better myself! Mater Amabilis is just a suggestion of what a Charlotte Mason Education can look like for Catholics. What matters here is the CM method --it works, it really does!
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I understand what you are saying. We are mostly together all day around the big dining room table but off to the den or living room with one or two for a narration or dictation here and there. But they're not working on the same thing. That's just not realistic. A pre-K and a 4th grader have very different comprehension levels --as well they should.
We do have some focused together time. Read alouds --especially as they relate to the liturgical year and dinner time conversation about all sorts of things.
Try and look at it not so much as everyone off doing their own thing but that everyone has their own work. A family is like a team --everyone has their position. Not everyone needs to be involved at all times with each other's stuff but there's a sense of cohesiveness, a common goal and a normal routine of being together.
If you want more actual DOING together try nature walks, picture study and handcrafts. All areas where this can happen as a group. But, not everything can or even should happen together. The older children need space to grow and learn and sometimes that means a quiet place off to themselves where they can connect with the authors and form ideas.
Being home is different because your family becomes the main influence for your child instead of their peers. That is one of the biggest benefits I see to homeschooling. My oldest kids were 4th and 5th grades when we started (they are 24 and 25 now) and I have one in 10th grade Catholic high school so I do know the difference.
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I agree with many of the previos posts: CHC is very gentle but not necessarily CM or family friendly as in get everyone doing the same thing.
The ages of your "clones" are similar to my dc. I have my fifth and second grader working side by side pretty much all day. As a pair they work on Geography, Poetry, Shakespeare, Art Study, History, Nature Study, and Music/Composer Study. Each at their own level; for example Art Study one of my dc loves to draw so she almost always tries to copy the Art work the other much rather prefers to write her impression of the piece. Say for History they are both covering the same period but the literature they read is different. We just finished Lewis and Clark; my older dd read Of Courage Undaunted while my younger dd read a Random House Step Up book about Lewis and Clark, together we all watched the National Geographic DVD about the Expedition. Narrations were done together and be assured my younger dd understood as much as my older dd but the material was covered at their levels.
As for my K and preK we do many things together but again one might be learning short a vs. long a and the other is just learning what 'a' is.
They all work individually on things such as Language Arts (copywork, dictation, spelling, grammar, writing, phonics), Math, Science and Latin (currently just my oldest). They might be working at the same time on a subject but it is different materials/books.
Now back to CHC. Their gentle materials have been a good fit for some of my dc. We use their Language of God combined with Primary and Intermediate Language Lessons; I used their Easy As 1,2,3 Science to create our curriculum for my second & K using living books, my k and pre k use their Number and Letter books for practice, my k uses their Handwriting book, and some of their readers have been enjoyed too like Bigger Stories for Little Folks.
As for writing your own set of rules for a daily routine I would definitely take Jenn's offer to help you out with specifics. It's taken me several years to transition fully. This is a great source for inspiration and cheering you on. It is scarry but not that bad when you have great resources of those who have done it such as MA, Simply Charlotte Mason, Ambleside and don't forget our very talented 4Real moms.
This is our first year fully experiencing a CM style of learning and living and we (dh and I) couldn't be happier. We can really see our dc thriving in the wealth of knowledge and retention that is gained by giving them a world of living books. CM is really an atmosphere and lifestyle your whole family can thrive on. I hope this helps just a little  move forward and trust your instincts. (wow I think that's the longest post I've written )
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I'm jumping in, as Krystin linked me up to this thread. ;)
Jen, when you said that part about thinking "this is it?"-- That really resonated with me! Even today, we "checked the boxes" of everything I had in my lesson planner (we are still using Seton, like Krystin, but modifying for our family)...and I really felt like "that was too easy to be done, and done well." But we were, and we had time to still go out on a walk this afternoon. ;)
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Krystin, perhaps you are also worried about future issues (per your other posts about duty stations). If you do end up serving our country overseas, I would highly recommend a combo of CHC, math, locally-oriented nature study and living books (Mater Amabilis or tied to local history) for all your children.
We were sent to Italy for two years when my son was in 5th grade and my precocious dd was in K (at age 4). We did our very best to tie together ancient history, Famous Men of Ancient Rome, reading lessons, science in our kitchen and as much religion and math as we could shove into the mix. Were we perfect? No. We ditched Saxon 6/5 after the first quarter and went with a sequential program. Did we learn Latin in the country of its origin? No. Dad deployed on his ship and "sunk" the Latin lessons. We learned a few words of Latin and a lot of tourist/restaurant Italian. And many, many hymns and carols in both languages...a true treasure.
Did it work? Yes, over time. We did not do much Latin after year 1...but modern languages filled that gap. Did we journey around our host country? Yes, with a family goal of spending at least one night in every region (what we'd call a state) of Italy. Value: Priceless. There is great, great value in living overseas, provided the entire family is ready to accept the concept that Different Does Not Equal Bad. For many expats, this is a leap of faith too great to contemplate. For others, it is everything.
When we homeschooled overseas, we stuck to the basics at home and spent a lot of time being out there with everyone else...American and Italian Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, the American/Italian Catholic Community, family field trips, and our Spend One Night in Every Region of Italy family project. (It took us two years...worth every minute and every dollar/Euro.) I know for sure that my children appreciate the point of view of other children like themselves, because we met friends/acquaintances/total strangers in Italy and elsewhere and figured out how to bridge that communications Grand Canyon.
If you are homeschooling overseas, it does help to have a "spine" or "core" for religion, language arts and math, and CHC can really help with this. Their materials are solidly Catholic and very easy to use, and coordinate well with a living books approach.
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OK I think I just asked the question I have in the wrong thread.. LOL
Does MA sell a lesson plan?? Or is this my "guide"?
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Yes that's your guide. It's a framework. A "suggestion" so you cans see how it works. You can use it as is or tweak it to your family and what resources you have available.
If you have questions ask here or join the Yahoo MA group.
Their may be lesson plans available in the future, though keep in mind that CM's own "homeschool" program --the PUS-- did not provide lesson plans either.
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Thanks, I just joined! My head is spinning!! LOL
Off to do MORE reading (and less reading at the same time)
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It really is quite simple. In fact, it's so simple that once you get into the nitty-gritty of it you can be tempted to question, "Is this it?" It only becomes complicated when we over-complicate it by back filling with extras we think might be necessary...thinking that surely this can't be it!
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I wanted to add that I think this may be what makes some Dads wary of the method. Many of us are so conditioned by our own school experience as to what education should look like that we cannot wrap our heads around the idea that things don't have to be so complicated and that children don't really need so much busywork. I say "need" because several of mine LOVE to do workbooks and that's fine --I let them, but it's not required.
Once a father can see that his children ARE learning and absorbing and doing well they tend to relax. But it can take time. I am sure Charlotte Mason faced the same difficulties as she often speaks in her writings about those who are amazed at how well the method works.
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YES, this is exactly it.. dh thinks if it's not a 6hr a day (plus homework...some days) they can NOT be getting a "full" education. He's the product of 112 years public school (as am I) AND a public school teacher mother!! (shocked that she's not on board with the whole HS thing?? )
And he's nervous that I can't "do it all" (and I can't!! The house is a wreck, but I have a 2011 goal) including writing a curriculum... thus the appeal of Seton (out of the box, do this week 7 day 3)
I need some hand holding for now.
He's also worried about "when they go back to school", and I am feeling like if God called me to this (from being the mom who said THEY NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS HOUSE EVERYDAY to homeschooling -- overnight practically) I don't feel like sending them back would be in His plan..
But what do I know?
So, has anyone sent a kid back to school after CM??
Again, so thankful for this site!! 
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Topic: MORE questions from silly ol' me!
