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Not expensive older books..
I mean.. how to I keep books that get very well "loved" not to fall apart?
In particular the Scouting Handbooks for my boys.. they LOVE their books.. they are carried around and taken to bed and get crinkled and crumpled and the binding starts coming apart. My son's Tiger book is in 4 or more parts with little binding left.. jsut some holding pages in clumps.. and some of that is the tape I used on the inside.
Now that's a one year use book.
The Webelos books did fare better and it's a 2 yr book.
But now my son has his Boy Scout book and it's got to go even longer.
I am getting two copies.. one to keep records in and one that's his to use anytime he doesn't need the one with the records in it.
What can I do to help preserve these books without taking them away from the boys? I mean.. in one sense I love the fact that these books are so well worn. And I don't want to limit their access. But it sure would be nice to be able to hand over books for recording things without being afraid that it'll fall apart in someone's hands. 
I'm thinking maybe the contact paper book "cover" might help?
Any other ideas?
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Contact Paper helps...and I've just discovered this AMAZING book tape for the spine! I'm so glad I finally bought *real* book tape for repairing the spines of some of my books! SO worth it.
BUT...
It sounds to me like contact paper, while a help, isn't going to be enough with the amount of open and close loving these boys give their books. If it were me, I'd go ahead and pull all the pages, trim them neatly and put it in a small 3 ring binder. You can slip the front and back covers in the sleeve of the binder. I use these for some of my kids smaller books and like this a lot.
You could always try some heavy duty contact paper, and if you see that the book is coming apart, then pull the pages, trim and add to a small binder. The advantage to contact papering the covers of the book from the start is that the cover will still be intact if you do decide to disassemble the book for a binder.
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Adding a bit more.
Found a set of index tabs - 5 1/2 x 8 1/2 A-Z index tabs. I've used these before and just flipped them over (so that you see the blank sides...you'd be starting at Z). Anyway, then you just sharpie in the info for the tab - you could label the chapters of the Boy Scouts book. If there were a reference page that received frequent use, this could be laminated and 3 hole punched for more durability, but then it could be easily removed for reference.
Also, I measured my small 3 ring binder notebooks and they measure 7 1/2 x 9 1/4, but they accomodate a half a sheet of regular paper. So, if you took one 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper and cut it in half it fits perfectly in this small binder. I'm thinking the one I linked above is the binder we have. Unfortunately, I never see these out and available at our local office stores - not sure if this isn't a commonly stocked size. But, it's a very handy size to have around the house.
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Thanks Jen, I'm not sure about the 3 hold punch.. I'd be afraid the pages would be more prone to tearing.. but I think if I start with the contact paper (hmm better add that to my rapidly growing list for shopping in the nearest "big" city) and be able to go to that at need, it might work. The boys do get more careful as they get older.
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I hate adding to your list...but...I'm mentioning this because this tape is **just that good**! I finally invested in book repair tape. I had been using plain packing tape, but the tape wasn't sticking well and just not doing a very good job. Amazing difference. And, the book repair tape is in varying thicknesses. I purchased one that was fairly thick and very wide - this is what I ordered --> 3.5 MIL bookguard tape, 4" width. It gives added support to the spine. Just throwing this at you for consideration, Jodie, but if you used book tape on the spine and then contact papered the covers, you'd probably stand a very good chance of saving the book if they boys were reasonably careful/loving with the book.
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That does look good.. it might be worth it.. but it'll probably need to be ordered so it can go on a different list 
now I just have to worry over the book until I can get the stuff to help It has to go with him tonight, he'll get his first rank in scouts by showing that the abuse prevention pamphlet has been signed off.
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Mackfam wrote:
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Jen, I'm glad you added this info, because I was going to ask for it. I've been doing packing tape and I can tell it's just not good enough. And I pulled some books that really need reinforcement before I let the boys handle them and was looking for some ideas.
BTW, I think this should be in planning.
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Jen, how many spines does one roll cover?
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When you scroll down to the description it says that each roll is 15 yds.
And moving it to planning is fine.. I just couldn't figure out where it might fit other than here
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One roll covers 15 yds, Jenn.
I am so pleased to have invested in this tool. I have a lot of books in our home and I need them to be available, used, and in good shape. We were losing a few covers and a few spines were ripping, and I was not having good success with plain packing tape.
The book tape I linked above has been wonderful. A couple of things I've learned:
** Wider works wonders! Grips thick spines and lots of the book cover!
** No special technique required - I cut it a little larger than I need, place on the spine, and trim the top and bottom with scissors. Good, smooth placement is important! This tape seems like it's not anything special at first - but after 24 hours it is stuck like GLUE!!!!!
** Use a plastic spatula to smooth and press the tape firmly. I found this really helpful when I used the tape on an old hardcover book that had small design ridges on the cover. Pressing into all those ridges means a GREAT HOLD!
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15 yards, I guess I have to do the math estimation.  Not good at that.
What I really would like to do is laminate all my paperback and put covers on all my dustjackets. I know Erin does the latter. The problem I face every time I think I'm going to buy the covers is that my books range in so many different sizes. I want covers that can adjust to various sizes, instead of one-size fits only one size.
I'm ordering the tape now...it's such a God-incidence that you should post this now!
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9 inches would likely be average for a lot of books.. and 15 yds has 45 ft (divided by .75).. so about 60.
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If you are talking just boy scout handbooks, we've had a lot of success with the covers that are made for them. My oldest went through at least three books before he graduated (and got his eagle.) Now, #3's book is 4 years old, and is still in great shape, with the cover.
For our paperback daily (sometimes hourly!) reads, I do the clear contact paper. It isn't the most eye-appealing thing to do to a book, but it has helped keep them intact.
I need to check out that bookguard tape!
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Thank you Stacy.. I don't know if we'll do the covers.. but it sure is nice to hear that my boys aren't the only ones that go through those books 
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Thanks, Jodie!
I am suffering from instant gratification syndrome. I want the tape right now.  Shipping takes too long!
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Jodie
I believe covering books in high quality book plastic is a must!! The life of the book is guaranteed for FAR longer this way, the spine is protected and strengthened (providing you cover correctly)the cover is protected etc.
I buy "clear gloss premium PVC plastic' on a huge rolls of 100m lengths, but you can get them cut down or smaller. I buy from library suppliers, originally I contacted my local library and asked them you they purchased from.
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Actually I cover all in book plastic, paperback as well as the dustjackets.
I was just thinking I could do a tutorial if anyone needs me to on how to cover, both styles that is.
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OH I want a tutorial PLEASE!!!!
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Picture step by step or video? Mind you the accent may be distracting.
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yes and yes. Can you do both? Pretty please?
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In this thread on mending, I posted what I had learned from talk to my librarian specifically about repair:
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While doing some brainstorming yesterday, I remembered that I keep intending to learn more about book repair. I called the library and spoke with the librarian who does all of their mending, and he recommended the following basic supplies:
- White glue and rubberbands for putting the spine back on a book.
- 3M Booktape #845
- Flimoplast by Neschen (when searching, apparently there are other versions/brands of this) for repairing torn pages
Anyway, I do find that our "books to repair" pile has gotten pretty large, and I would like something that will both look nicer and hold up better than my present packaging/scotch tape regime.
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I still haven't bought the supplies, though I intend to soon.
I am HIGHLY interested in the tutorial on book covers. I realized I hadn't thought to ask after I hung up since I was preoccupied with "repair" rather than "prevention" and I was too chicken to call back.
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