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Do you include Logic in your homeschool? And if so for what ages and how?
I was thinking of starting my children from 11 and up on the Thinking Toolbox and Fallacy Detective?
Any views on the formal study of Logic?
(not sure what forum this belongs on - so put it here)
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We use Memoria Press for our formal logic study. I have also used the Fallacy Detective as a fun tool. My dc really love the study of logic and I feel it is an important component in our learning experience.
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for oldest - yes. he just needed help learnign how and why to organize thoughts and how to evaluate others' thoughts.
otherwise we just do Fallacy detective and thinking toolbox and talk a lot about everything in general. 
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Carole N. wrote:
| We use Memoria Press for our formal logic study. I have also used the Fallacy Detective as a fun tool. My dc really love the study of logic and I feel it is an important component in our learning experience. |
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Carole - can my dd start on the MP logic without prior logic - or should she do the Thinking Toolbox first?
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Martha wrote:
for oldest - yes. he just needed help learnign how and why to organize thoughts and how to evaluate others' thoughts.
otherwise we just do Fallacy detective and thinking toolbox and talk a lot about everything in general. |
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Martha - what age do you start the Thinking Toolbox? Also what formal logic do you use with your high school son?
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It's recommended to start trad logic 1 in 8th or 9th. Followed by trad 2 then material logic. My 9th grader is doing material logic right now.
The other books I'd suggest for 5th or 6th grade and up. My currently 6th and 8th graders are doing them. By the time they finish, my 5th grader will start.
There's also the Art of Arguement which is often listed as 8th grade +. That one is far more mature in content. Abortion. The Clinton affair. It uses a lot of more recent political issues, which your kids might or might not be familiar with or ready to tackle. Just an FYI to add to your research.
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My 5th and 6th graders are finishing up MindBenders from Critical Thinking Co. I am getting ready to look for the "next thing," but they sure have enjoyed these puzzles so far.
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MichelleW wrote:
| My 5th and 6th graders are finishing up MindBenders from Critical Thinking Co. I am getting ready to look for the "next thing," but they sure have enjoyed these puzzles so far. |
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We used to do these with my older children. I need to get back to them. My children love all the Critical Thinking Co products
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Martha wrote:
It's recommended to start trad logic 1 in 8th or 9th. Followed by trad 2 then material logic. My 9th grader is doing material logic right now.
The other books I'd suggest for 5th or 6th grade and up. My currently 6th and 8th graders are doing them. By the time they finish, my 5th grader will start.
There's also the Art of Arguement which is often listed as 8th grade +. That one is far more mature in content. Abortion. The Clinton affair. It uses a lot of more recent political issues, which your kids might or might not be familiar with or ready to tackle. Just an FYI to add to your research. |
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Martha - do you mind posting what you use for Logic 1 etc?
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Oh sorry - Memoria Press.
Personally, I can't stand the books and all the, to my mind, illogically arranged graphs and charts and outlineing. However, my ds enjoys it considerably and there's some evidence that surfaces at various times that it's sinking in. So whatever works - works. 
I always want to rip it to pieces and recreate it in color coded format and vinn diagrams and .. DS rolls his eyes at me when I suggest that would make it more appealing or clearer or more logical. He points out that my arguement is not logical. It's mommy-speak for "don't just learn it - earn it pretty". The next two up find that insulting and don't even like to look in his logic books. They say it causes scremaing in their heads. 
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We just started with the MindBenders books, and so far dd10 loves them.
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MarilynW wrote:
Do you include Logic in your homeschool? And if so for what ages and how?
I was thinking of starting my children from 11 and up on the Thinking Toolbox and Fallacy Detective?
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I used Memoria Press' Traditional Logic in eighth grade with my two oldest children. I believe eleven is a bit young to start a formal study of logic, but I don't know your child or the programs you mentioned.
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Martha wrote:
Oh sorry - Memoria Press.
Personally, I can't stand the books and all the, to my mind, illogically arranged graphs and charts and outlineing. However, my ds enjoys it considerably and there's some evidence that surfaces at various times that it's sinking in. So whatever works - works.
I always want to rip it to pieces and recreate it in color coded format and vinn diagrams and .. DS rolls his eyes at me when I suggest that would make it more appealing or clearer or more logical. He points out that my arguement is not logical. It's mommy-speak for "don't just learn it - earn it pretty". The next two up find that insulting and don't even like to look in his logic books. They say it causes screaming in their heads. |
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I was all set to buy Traditional Logic for my dd16, she hasn't done any formal logic before, although naturally very logical.
Now I'm not sure, got any other recommendations?
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My first grader does Mindbenders; we're on the Beginner book 2. Right now I'm thinking we'll go through this series and then move on to the Red Herring. Then see about figure out a formal Logic progam.
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Depends...
What's the goal?
I wanted my son to give thought to how and why he was (or was not!) thinking properly.
For my next runners up sons, I wanted them to have a basic understanding of this. Can they comprehend what makes something logical and see why something is NOT logical?
I suppose to some it may be important to understand all the names of the fallacies and why they are fallacies, but really I don't care about that as much as some might think I should. At least not at the stages my kids are in.
I really like the fallacy detective and thinking toolbox. They give the fallacies and basic arguement points, but don't bog the kid down with a bunch of fill in the blank busy work. (Which is how I feel about the MP logic books. I'm sure they have great information, but the presentation is just blah and dry.
Really I think logic/strategy games and puzzles like suduku or mind bender are better suited to developing logic skills than reading about the various definitions of fallancies and sub-fallancies and terms for various forms of argument.
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