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Wondering if anyone has read this book When Children Love to Learn? It looks interesting...
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Genevieve,
It IS interesting and it is, in my opinion, one of the best representations of what Charlotte Mason intended. It's a definite favorite of mine. I read it just as Kathryn and I were putting the finishing touches on Mater Amabilis and it confirmed a lot of things for me. That being said not everyone likes it as much as I do.  It's structured CM and the book is primarily written for schools --though I personally didn't have any problem translating the ideas into homeschool ones. It's not Catholic and there's a decidely Protestant tone in some areas. All of those things were not an issue for me but I'm letting you know. No matter what your style (CM, or otherwise) I do think it's worth the read and I do think (based on my research) that's it's a true representation of CM.
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Genevieve,
I still have not read it, and it has been by my bedside for 18 months. 
Maybe I will dig it out of my stack this evening. 
Marybeth
PS I purchased it off of Cathswap very cheap!!
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MicheleQ wrote:
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I'll second that, but with a slight qualification ... I think the representation of the way CM structured education and approached the different subjects is accurate, but the book has a sterner, more rigid tone than CM herself did. It's worth bearing that in mind when reading the book.
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Kathryn UK wrote:
| I think the representation of the way CM structured education and approached the different subjects is accurate, but the book has a sterner, more rigid tone than CM herself did. It's worth bearing that in mind when reading the book. |
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I can't say I really picked up on that but I will admit that's probably due more to my own choleric personailty and the way I read things.
Kathryn dear, you are much kinder than I am.
God bless!
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I too enjoyed the book -- but, as Michele mentioned, it's written primarily for schools looking at setting up CM-style classes. I got much out of it and enjoyed hearing the different implementations of the different subjects -- maybe because, in one of my former "lives" I taught school and understand the rhetoric.....
Anyway, it's a good read, but if you're a bit shy of it, check and see if your library or inter-library can get it for you.
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MicheleQ wrote:
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I can't say I really picked up on that but I will admit that's probably due more to my own choleric personailty and the way I read things.
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It is a while since I read the book, so I may be mis-remembering . I think WCLTL is excellent on the mechanics of a CM education, but is sometimes a bit too mechanical ... it misses some of CM's own respect for the child as an individual.
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The most "mechanical" description of CM I've read was Levison's books. I wonder whether this book would add to my understanding beyong Levison's books.
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I liked it... I thought that the ideas were very adaptable. It gave a nice outline of ways to incorporate CM ideas into the school structure. Of course, if you'd rather have a looser outline, you may not like the book at all...
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~Rachel~ wrote:
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Or you might anyway. 
I think the key to anything is to take from it what works for you and leave the rest. I tend to just do this automatically and that may be why I don't remember it as being rigid or stern. Or it could just be because I am mean. . .
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 This is such a funny thread. I found the book stern and mechanical and institutional and it really bothered me. But I'm coming from a former life as an educator and I'm choleric...
I haven't spent nearly the time digging into the depths of CM that Kathryn and Michele have. The six volumes, Penny Gardner, Catherine Levison, Karen Andreola and a few web-based resources are the extent of my knowledge, so I don't speak from the authority that they do.
I do wonder though, if this isn't a bit like what we discussed on the atrium thread. Home education, whether it's Montessori or Mason influenced, isn't going to look the same as what is laid out in a school-based curriculum. That doesn't mean we can't benefit from reading books that approach education from a school philosophy; they just might not resonate with us the same way.
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Elizabeth wrote:
| Home education, whether it's Montessori or Mason influenced, isn't going to look the same as what is laid out in a school-based curriculum. That doesn't mean we can't benefit from reading books that approach education from a school philosophy; they just might not resonate with us the same way. |
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Exactly! We all filter it through our own experiences and understanding of things. And of course that's why it's so helpful to get others opinions -- so we can make better judgments on whether a particular book is even worth our time.
I still love the book. But in truth it's not so much because of the way things are laid out (since it is so clearly a "school" mode) but more the underlying ideas that get me excited.
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The reason I liked it was that it fills in some of the nitty-gritty -- the "this is how to do narration with more than one child", or copywork or nature study or whatever. Some of the other CM books, especially the Protestant-written ones, don't allow for multiple children in the room.
Of course, that said, the CM book I go back to for a shot of inspiration (and adrenalin) is Elizabeth's because it was the first one I read that really "hooked" me!
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Elizabeth wrote:
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Michele has spent far more time digging than I have . My impression is that American Protestant books on CM generally have a tendency to grasp the mechanics of a CM education but to miss the gentleness. British books about CM and CM education - the biography by the wonderfully named Essex Cholmondeley, and I Buy a School, by Marion Berry, are two I have read - also give a picture of a structured education, both at school and at home, but the structure is combined with flexibility and gentleness in a way that doesn't come across in WCLTL or Levison. I can't really put a finger on how this differed from the school situations described in WCLTL ... the PNEU schools here (and the PUS for homeschooled students) were certainly structured, but there was something about them - fun? informality? - that was different.
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I think it was a relaxed air... things were not pushed the way they seem to be in the books. When you study with a CM frame of reference, you have relaxed expectations.
Thr trouble is, so many of the states over here, vs. CM's time back home, have 'requirements' you are obliged to fulfill in order to be 'allowed' to homeschool. I think the Cm books from over here reflect that aspect of American life more than anything else.
I personally liked the ideas that the WCLTL gave out... there were suggestions that could be used to structure the day, or how to do certain lessons. When you read CM you are often left with questions such as 'how?' or 'what?' floating around. The modern books try to answer that, referencing in the differences between the lake District back home, and the world of modern America.
I don't think they always managed it because I often feel like they deliberately exclude anyone not of their faith... which is where Mater Amabilis comes in, I guess
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Fascinating thread! I have it in my Bookbag at CBD. I'll look around for the best price. It looks good to me from seeing it there though!
Thanks!
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