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CrunchyMom wrote:
Yes, thank you, Amanda! I have certainly had those moments where I misread or assimilate things mistakenly, and my emotional response immediately sends me to self-doubt, panic mode. I hope that now I'm not misrepresenting YOU, I'm just imagining how I could make the same mistake in a similar situation.  My own lack of education is sometimes a source of insecurity for me!
Phew! So glad to know that it isn't QUITE so hard to discern twaddle as I'd feared 
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Thanks for understanding, Lindsay. Yes, you imagined correctly. I put two separate pieces of information together to get the wrong outcome.
I do think you are right that it was a useful discussion. The quotes and links on how to determine twaddle, on the one hand, and the discussion about Lindafay's actual article about persevering with hard books and the importance of stretching the child, which led to many excellent points. I especially liked Jenn's tie in to Caroline (Stellamaris)'s posts and lesson preparation.
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I've been pondering further about this. Jen's quote here:
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| There is a definite philosophy to a Charlotte Mason education and it hinges on three key areas: (1) atmosphere, (2) discipline, and (3) life. Now, no one is required to sign up for the full CM trifecta-shebang, but it does work. And beautifully. It's also quite rigorous, which I think is perhaps not so recognized. And since the article was written by a CM educator and with the goal of conveying the importance of hard books within a CM education, I'm going to speak to the idea within that context of a CM education. |
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has been a hinge on what I've been thinking. Caroline (Stellamaris) and I had some deep conversations regarding lesson planning, and how a daily lesson unfolds.
Caroline had summarized her notes from Ambleside here -- she is basically addressing the areas we were pondering over the Cm volume "School Education" before her visit.
What has stood out to me (and probably so obvious to everyone else) is that a book doesn't stand alone. There is cooperation and participation by the teacher. This was furthered by the video by Eve Anderson. There is quick review on what we've read, touching of vocabulary that will be covered in this reading, and then after reading and narration by the child, there are some questions.
To me that works and helps with the "hard" books. Miss Mason certainly didn't just throw the books at the child and tell them to soak it up best you can! Here enters the discipline on both sides, the parent/teacher and the child.
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Like we talked about in the Prepared lessons thread, there is a bit more to this than reading- or handing over- a book and then narrating. And I think that that definitely enables harder books because the child has context to build from. Yes, Jenn, discipline. Something I definitely can improve in! But I remind myself of Jen's point to pick 1 or maybe 2 books to do such preparations for at a time, rather than every book in the curriculum. Which seems doable. :)
I'm also thinking of getting the Eve Anderson DVDs but they are not in the budget at the moment. It would be great to see it in action. Anyone want to post a youtube video of their homeschool in action? 
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AmandaV wrote:
Ladies, I have a correction and apology to make. I mistakenly mis-represented Lindafay's post from her yahoo group, and after reviewing her words more closely I see that she clearly stated that she considers Pratt's books to be simple, useful for younger children, but not twaddle. I was reading several old posts and must have mixed things up. I am so sorry and regret this mistake and any confusion it caused. I usually check my words very carefully. I am happy to be able to clear it up so that there is no more confusion on the Pratt books. Please forgive me.
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I recently joined that group and I read a post (I think there was two) that made me think the same thing your original post said. I unsubscribed after reading it because I disagreed and knew that group wasn't for me. You weren't the only one! I can't go back to reread it to clarify, but really your concern seemed correct to me. 
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My only take on the whole thing is that I don't like "This Country of Ours" - I find the presented information to be extremely-extremely biased, some of which is borderline false (I say borderline because if you leave out a LOT of information, the stated facts are true - but the combination of facts given and those left out leaves a VERY skewed impression). And I am just NOT willing to lay that sort of foundation for my son. I want him to be respectful of people AS people above all else, discerning in what to believe, consider all the facts before making a decision, and be open to new ideas in appropriate situations, while holding fast to the eternal things. TCOO does NOT do any of those things. Sorry.
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My only take on the whole thing is that I don't like "This Country of Ours" - I find the presented information to be extremely-extremely biased, some of which is borderline false (I say borderline because if you leave out a LOT of information, the stated facts are true - but the combination of facts given and those left out leaves a VERY skewed impression). And I am just NOT willing to lay that sort of foundation for my son. I want him to be respectful of people AS people above all else, discerning in what to believe, consider all the facts before making a decision, and be open to new ideas in appropriate situations, while holding fast to the eternal things. TCOO does NOT do any of those things. Sorry.
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I have pretty much the same opinion.
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AmandaV wrote:
I'm also thinking of getting the Eve Anderson DVDs but they are not in the budget at the moment. It would be great to see it in action. Anyone want to post a youtube video of their homeschool in action?
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I enjoed the Eve Anderson dvd very much. It helped me understand how I need to be prepared. I love your idea; it would be very neat to see from some of our more exprerienced moms
But for now I thought you might enjoy this CM style momrecording some narrations, nature study ... with her very young kids.
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Just wanted to add that in the interim since this topic was introduced here, Lindafay has posted an additional article Tips on Getting Children Interested in Hard Books.
I've seen some other posts recently about the topic of the use of books in a CM education and, though I don't presume to speak for any other writer, I do wonder if these posts are part of a larger e-discussion taking place on this challenging topic that requires much discernment? For instance, a quite recent post on substituting AO books by Jeanne at A Peaceful Day blog came to mind.
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