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Inspired by Kristie's question about science, I'm wondering what people are using/have used for 9th grade history.
I was leaning toward Kolbe, but heard from a seasoned homeschooler (my mom  ) that it's pretty intensive for the teaching parent. My style is more laid back, which is why I like textbooks at least as a "spine."
Any thoughts? Things you loved? Things you thought you'd love but ended up sending to the Home for Unfortunate Textbooks? Clue me in, please!!! 
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I think (he he) that we are going to use the Kolbe grade 9 plans but make a few substitutions and lighten the load a little. I was looking at the Greek Way last night and think I will read that with my son as well to tie in the diff. history and lit themes. We will skip the Illiad (reading it already), some of the plays, and add in the Aenied even though it is Roman as my ds really wants to read it. This son just reads so widely already I don't want to take up all his time with required reading (although much of it he will enjoy). Also, Plato etc. seems a bit steep for this son....(or his mother!!)
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Ds has said he's like to explore the renaissance this year to go along with his Shakespeare/DaVinci studies, so that's where we are headed. Have not decided on resources yet.
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we will be reading kolbe greek lit for fun, not doing the course work (seton english for that)
and we will be following the greek history, looking forward to it.
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We're doing Kolbe (sort of) but not the history. I will say that Kolbe has provided more background and context in the newer plans (just out in the last 2 years) but I still think reading everything on the list is a bit intense (and for my children a bit too much immersion into pagan Greece/Rome).
I love Kolbe's EES. Using that (which probably wasn't available when your mom used it) takes a load off of me. I pick various paper topics I want my children to hand in. Some I glean from their plans, some from RCHistory, some I create on my own/pull out of Hillside studies or the new Great Books coming in Ignatius Press.
I tend to like to balance out the reading by including a Catholic author or two. (We did Ballad of the White Horse in 10th, and Kolbe's Augustine works among others) in literature. In history I do pick a spine and selection of primary sources from Kolbe that we plan to do. I often have my children read the lesson plan notes and we sort of weave Kolbe and our spine typically.
This year, however, my other highschooler is doing Declaration Statesmanship so I just decided it would be easier on us all if we had both highschoolers doing this together. I'm making it into a US History and Government course. Then in 10th, I'll just combine the ancients and move through in a sequential fashion.
I have noticed that Kolbe's newest plans do a better job of incorporating Catholic authors as well.
I'm not a big one for memorizing a bunch of names and dates, but I do add in a requirement for my children to make a timeline and do some map work. They tend to be history fans so they seem to have easy recall of important people and events.
In the planning stages, it can be a bit more work because I feel the need to really tailor things and I do eliminate some of the Kolbe reading in order to things my children and I want to do instead. But with the EES, I just have my children upload their papers and get comments from Kolbe (and I can do this with non-kolbe paper topics as well). I tell them exactly how I want them to be in terms of pickiness (ie my talented writer, I wanted them to find things for her to work on or there wasn't as much point doing endless papers. They were tough at my request - but I knew this child would be fine with this. Another child I'll be telling them to be encouraging and gentle while not dishonest.)
I'll do my own grades anyways, but I do heavily weight Kolbe's comments/ grade on their papers. My children have really liked this.
The one thing with Kolbe plans - I rewrite to do things my way and as long as my children have good plans, they are happy and relatively independent. I'm not having to do a ton of research to try and find answers.
I know exactly what your mom is talking about though, cause the first year I did Kolbe, it was really tough, things didn't match, there was hardly any guidance as to what you were looking for in a paper, etc. so you had to read the books and figure it all out - something I didn't have the time to do and definitely not something I was always qualified to do. Now they have suggested paper topics with a AK bullet of points that you will want to see if they covered. I really appreciated this as they were also great conversation starters even if I hadn't read the book, I had something to ask about if it wasn't included in her paper and she could fill me in on things.
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We are combining the 9th and 10th grade Kolbe Lit and Histories. So the first half of the year will be Greece, and the last half Rome. I found on their forum, a post from a Kolbe counselor listing which books to use when you do a combo. That is really helpful. So we'll just do those that are recommended for the combo. DD actually wanted the ancients this year, so it fits us well.
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Kacky, Can you share those recommendations? Dd wants to do the Greek Lit this year. Are you buying and using Kolbe's guides or just doing the reading?
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Here is the thread I was referring to...scroll down to about the 4th post by Anastasia.
We are registered with Kolbe so I'll have all the guides. You are allowed to ask for a certain number of out of your grade guides too, so I was able to get the 10th grade hist/lit guides too.
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It's my understanding that this is a very common request put to Kolbe and the counselors are very able and willing to help parents make a greek/roman combo too. Just in case anyone wants to ask Kolbe to help them out.
Personally, that lists look about right to me, but then again I have lots of boys in my house so her opinion on the works resonates with me some.
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We are using TRISMS EOC this year for my 9th grader. He is very excited about the program, which is awesome, as not much excites him right now. 
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I wrote up my own Ancient History and Literature plans for my 9th and 12 graders next year. They are
here http://householddiary.blogspot.com/2009/06/will-and-joshs-hi gh-school-ancient.html (Sorry, I can't seem to get the hyperlink to work). It probably is similiar to combining Kolbe's Greek and Roman years. I'm using the new Fran Rutherford Study Guides (you can find them in the Emmanual Books catalog) as well Peter Liethart's Heroes of the City of Man and the beginning sections of Sophie's World.
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Thanks Kacky- I wanted to have a list like that
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Coming in late.
Hello, we are doing World History through Seton as a 'spine' but adding in other books for reading.
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http://householddiary.blogspot.com/2009/06/will-and-joshs-hi gh-school-ancient.html
is that link still good?
It didn't work for me.
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http://householddiary.blogspot.com/2009/06/will-and-joshs-hi gh-school-ancient.html is that link still good? It didn't work for me. Thank you
It worked for me once I removed the space in the word high
http://householddiary.blogspot.com/2009/06/will-and-joshs-hi gh-school-ancient.html
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Moni wrote:
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Hello, we are doing World History through Seton as a 'spine' but adding in other books for reading.
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That's what I ended up with here, too, Moni!
I had to be realistic about our strengths/weaknesses, and the Kolbe program, while probably really good, would have been stressful for me and for dd. I do better when working from a textbook, even if we "jump away" a lot.
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We're doing Drew Campbell's recommendations from the LCC for history--right up my dd's alley--I am looking forward to learning right along with her...
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Oh, regardig Seton World History
There are (very) new tests now.
We had the older course but hadn't started yet, so we switched over to the New Tests at Mr. Clark's urging.
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We are doing Regina Coeli's Humanities I- a combined history and literature course. I like how they weave history into literature, the same way I would do if I had enough time to teach it myself (9 children doesn't leave a lot of time for discussions sometimes!)
I've looked at the Seton books (SO dry) and thought about Kolbe- but I like having a teacher there to discuss ideas WITH the students. I'm hoping when I'm an OOOLLLDDD homeschooler and down to my last few kids, I can lead the history discussions. For now... I need to outsource. :-)
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