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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 10:19am | IP Logged Quote Nina Murphy

A. English Mass, more on the charismatic side
B. English Mass, more on the conservative side
C. Indult Latin Mass
D. Other Rite



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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 10:44am | IP Logged Quote Patty LeVasseur

Nina, we do B. Where we live there is a Baptist church every mile or so, but Catholic churches are few and far between so A and B are the only choices here.

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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 11:31am | IP Logged Quote Cheryl

We do B.

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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 12:35pm | IP Logged Quote jackiemomof7

C here. 6:30am low mass, we have to get up at 4:00 am

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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 12:38pm | IP Logged Quote MaryMary

We go between the Latin Mass, and and an English Mass that is not exactly conservative, but not charismatic either (It has a few "liturgical innovations" but the preaching is solid, and the Eucharist is treated with devotion - biggies for us)

       

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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 1:17pm | IP Logged Quote marihalojen

So Nina, I went and did a bit of searching and defining, and if you'd classify Charismatic as tending to emphasize personal faith and trust in Christ, and the assurance of salvation as a few websites did, I'd have to say A. as I still haven't figured out where to go for Confession in this church, the bulletin says it is offered before every weekend Mass but I sure haven't seen anything resembling it, unless that is truly what is happening when people stand about in the back with Father chatting while people come through the main doors. Also the fact that everyone talks of receiving First Communion but no one mentions First Confession, what's with that??? Oh, I have to put a caveat in there, last Easter all the CCD kids had a group confession blessing thing with Father before Mass.

Sorry for the bit of a rant there I guess I need to plan a trip down to Key West soon. (Confession between 4 and 5 on Sat!) (2 daily Masses!) (Chaplet of Divine Mercy at 3pm daily!) (Perpetual Adoration Chapel that is open 24 hours a day, hence the word perpetual!)

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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 1:18pm | IP Logged Quote marihalojen

Okay, the absurdity of that post struck me.
Most people run to Key West for the Double Ds – Drunkenness and Debauchery, not a PAC - Perpetual Adoration Chapel!



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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 1:45pm | IP Logged Quote margot helene

I'd have to choose E. We are not another rite so we can't choose "other," but my situation is not on your list.

We attend a traditional Latin Mass, but it is not an indult. It is at a parish which is part of the Fraternity of St. Peter apostolate. We feel really blessed to have the Mass AND the parish life that goes with it (as opposed those who only have the Indult available). It is a bit of a drive (30 minutes) for us, but some drive an hour or more one way. We do also attend our local parish when needed and I suppose they are mid-stream: not conservative, but not charismatic either.

Since we are located near the North American headquarters for the Fraternity, we see a lot of different priests coming through. Today we had an awesome sermon given by the District Superior on praying the Rosary. He told a great story about his family's practice of praying it every night and what has happened to his family as a result. I'm not very good as articulating things like this that hit me at different levels, but he drew the comparison between the time of St. Pius V and our time, as many people have(they were suffering under the effects of the reformation and Muslim Turks; we have struggle within the Church and the Muslim everything) and who is praying the Rosary like they did back then?

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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 3:48pm | IP Logged Quote JennGM

Jennifer, I'm so sorry that even confession is hard to find down there! Some lady just commented on how wonderful it is to see the LOOOONG confession lines at our parish. Your family is like the Holy Family during their exile in Egypt.

I don't think our Mass would fit quite a label. It's in between A. and B. We go to our local parish. To me, it's a wonderful Mass EXCEPT (and it's a large except) for the music. The music fits more in A. We have some wonderful priests in our parish, but none but one would consider themselves "conservative."

I'm laughing to myself, but a liberal Catholic would find our parish too conservative (I have on good authority), and some of those with more conservative bent find it too liberal/charismatic (proof in that is how many in our area go to other surrounding parishes!)

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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 3:51pm | IP Logged Quote Sarah

C-ish (same as Margot). and are lucky to live in the diocese with the FSSP American seminary.

"Indult" is usually a term that refers to the diocesan priest given permission of the Bishop to offer the Traditional Mass. The FSSP is outside that term, I think, technically.

I think "C" should include a Latin Mass approved by Rome according to the 1962 Missal, that's probably what you meant. . .

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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 4:39pm | IP Logged Quote jackiemomof7

Okay I thought the "Indult" was for the Latin Mass appproved by Rome according to the 1962 missal. So my answer would be "other" also, FSSP is who does our Latin Mass.

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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 4:57pm | IP Logged Quote Natalia

Nina,
I am curious as your definition of Charismatic. I am a Charismatic Catholic-meaning that I praised aloud, raise my hands, believe that the Charismatic gifts of the Spirit are for the Church today and they aid our spiritual growth.
The majority of the Charismatic type prayer I have seen is out of the context of mass. I have attended some Charismatic masses and they are very reverent and very according to the rubic of the mass as I understand it. What classifies a mass as charismatic IMO is the music and the fact that sometimes the time of thanksgiving after communion is somewhat lengthy of some praise and worship. I guess I don't like to see Charismatic opposed to conservative because to me charismatic does not equal liberal, which in my mind is the opositte of conservative.

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PS I hope I don't sound offended because I am not. I am just curious of your perception, and maybe others here, of what charismatic means.
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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 6:06pm | IP Logged Quote JodieLyn

probably B as far as I can tell about the others.

We're in a very spacely populated area so there is literally our Parish (with 3 missions attached to it)and the next one is 1 hr 15 min drive away.. longer in winter.

And at that we have one Sunday morning Mass here in town, one Saturday evening alternating between two of the missions and one Sunday evening Mass at the third mission.

So anyway, it's a real pleasure to be at a Parish that is more in line with what should be than not.

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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 6:16pm | IP Logged Quote materdei7

C: and we drive over a hour and a half just to get there,
pay for parking($10.oo) as it is downtown, in a crummy,old, dirty, building....but, we love our Mass and our little old retired priest The things we will do for the love of Christ! God bless all of you!
No matter what Mass we choose to attend we are still
all "Catholic" (Universal), and still one big family,
despite our personal choices and devotions. My family and I pray for each of you every night in our rosary...
May God reward all of you.

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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 7:00pm | IP Logged Quote Rachel May

I guess our masses would qualify as B. Our music is from the hymn book and there is a choir and an organ.

What makes the real difference from week to week is the priest. There are 4 or 5, and some are more faithful and/or prayerful than others. I wouldn't call any of our masses Charasmatic, but I couldn't call them all conservative either.   

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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 7:09pm | IP Logged Quote Lisbet

I guess I would have to say B and C. We belong to a very traditional parish, in the WORST part of town, where an indult mass is permitted by our bishop on the 2nd and 4th Sundays of each month and each Thursday. We would love for each mass to be the TLM, and sadly, our priest will be retiring in June and we have no idea what will happen to our parish.

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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 7:10pm | IP Logged Quote JSchaaf

Is there a choice for "English-but bland, certainly not charismatic or conservative?" I can't really tell it's a Catholic church-you have to play "where's Jesus?" in order to find the Tabernacle. Confession?? Scheduled once a week for 45 minutes-but the priest is usually late and it's the most impersonal experience I've ever had. Sometimes I want to ask "Can you tell me what I just confessed? Are you even LISTENING??" And the music is horrible. Growing up Baptist we sang some great hymns. These songs now are . But, it is the Mass and Christ is present despite the phyical church's shortcomings, so there we are.

BUT, once a month I'm delighted to attend Mass
here.. If I had found this church before I had found the house, we would have lived closer to it and be parishioners.
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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 7:17pm | IP Logged Quote Nina Murphy

Dear Margot,

I am so sorry. In my ignorance, I misled everyone.      I thought all Latin Masses with the permission of the local ordinary were defined as "indult". I suppose for so long that's what we called ours while "borrowing" other parishes that I didn't realize that is not the definition anymore. We also have a parish (under the blessing of the bishop) pastored completely by the Fraternity.   I guess I used that word to separate from schismatic groups offering the Latin Mass that are not under their Bishop. Sorry!!!!! Mea culpa!


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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 7:21pm | IP Logged Quote Nina Murphy

Wow, I wrote this too early this AM....

Natalia, I should have used different language. Again, I grew up in what were called Charismatic parishes. There was spiritual dancing in the aisles, congregation participation slide shows, and an incredible jammin' band with loud drums that I excitedly sat as close to as I could and no Confession available as far as I knew.

I am so sorry. I know there has been a Charismatic Renewal in the Church with respect and love for the Holy Father and the teachings of the Church.

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Posted: Oct 08 2006 at 7:24pm | IP Logged Quote saintanneshs

B on most Sundays (Latin Mass is only offered locally once a month but we make it a point to go)

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