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has anyone here ever officially changed rites within the Church?
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While not directed in response to the original post as an answer, this is to clarify what is meant by changing rites within the Catholic Church in case there are any questions or anyone is curious.
The Eastern Catholic Churches are in union with the the Latin rite Catholic Church. They have their own liturgical, theological, and administrative traditions, such as those of the Byzantine, Alexandrian or Coptic, Syriac, Armenian, Maronite, and Chaldean rites, but they all profess the same faith and submit themselves to the authority of the Pope. These are not the same as Eastern Orthodox Churches, which are not in union with Rome.
To change rites is not a simple matter as attested to by Canon law. Canon 112 sets strict conditions for a Latin-rite Catholic to switch rites to an Eastern Catholic Church in union with Rome. In most cases this requires permission from the Apostolic See.
Canon 112.2 states that not even prolonged practice and reception of the sacraments in another ritual Church entails enrollment in that Church. In effect the canon distinguishes membership from liturgical practice. Any Catholic is allowed, even habitually, to receive most sacraments in a ritual Church different from his or her ritual Church, without formally becoming a member of the Church.
For instance, if, for solid spiritual reasons, an adult baptized and confirmed in the Roman rite begins to practice in a Maronite parish, he or she may receive the Eucharist, the sacrament of reconciliation, and anointing of the sick without any need to formally switch rites. If a man in this situation wished to enter holy orders, or if a couple of Latin-rite Catholics wish to marry according to the Maronite rite, then permission would normally be needed to formally switch rites.
Canon Law wrote:
112 §1. After the reception of baptism, the following are enrolled in another ritual Church sui iuris:
1/ a person who has obtained permission from the Apostolic See;
2/ a spouse who, at the time of or during marriage, has declared that he or she is transferring to the ritual Church sui iuris of the other spouse; when the marriage has ended, however, the person can freely return to the Latin Church;
3/ before the completion of the fourteenth year of age, the children of those mentioned in nn. 1 and 2 as well as, in a mixed marriage, the children of the Catholic party who has legitimately transferred to another ritual Church; on completion of their fourteenth year, however, they can return to the Latin Church.
§2. The practice, however prolonged, of receiving the sacraments according to the rite of another ritual Church sui iuris does not entail enrollment in that Church. |
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The Eastern Catholic Churches are:
Alexandrian Tradition
Coptic Catholic Church
Ethiopian Catholic Church
Antiochene Tradition
Syro-Malankara Catholic Church
Maronite Catholic Church
Syrian Catholic Church
Armenian Tradition
Armenian Catholic Church
Byzantine Tradition
Albanian Church
Belarussian Church
Bulgarian Catholic Church
Eparchy of Krizevci
Greek Catholic Church
Hungarian Catholic Church
Italo-Albanian Catholic Church
Melkite Greek Catholic Church
Romanian Greek Catholic Church
Russian Catholic Church
Ruthenian Catholic Church
Slovak Catholic Church
Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church
Chaldean (East Syrian) Tradition
Chaldean Catholic Church
Syro-Malabar Catholic Church
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Wow. I had no idea, Mary. There was a Melkite priest who used to offer mass at our Roman rite parish in CA when our priest was sick or out of town. He was amazing. I didn't realize it requires Apostolic permission, though. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if it is hard to get permission?
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Wow that is so awesomely cool ! My great grandparents were maronite catholic and I've just been learning of coptic as we've new hs friends the dh works for MCC and he is egyptian coptic catholic . This is really good info thanks Mary 
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My husband converted from Byzantine Catholic. It was before we were married and it was a HUGE ordeal and required our very patient and holy parish priest to do A LOT of work. The case (is that the right word) ended up going to Rome with the Byzantine equivalent. It was very stressful as it took almost a year and if it would have been brought to light that he was converting and we were getting married in the Roman right he would have not been allowed to convert. period.
Just my two-cents that it's not a trivial deal.
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Betsy wrote:
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Wow. I wonder if its as hard on the Roman end as it apparently is on the other side?
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Betsy wrote:
My husband converted from Byzantine Catholic. It was before we were married and it was a HUGE ordeal and required our very patient and holy parish priest to do A LOT of work. The case (is that the right word) ended up going to Rome with the Byzantine equivalent. It was very stressful as it took almost a year and if it would have been brought to light that he was converting and we were getting married in the Roman right he would have not been allowed to convert. period.
Just my two-cents that it's not a trivial deal.
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i'm confused.
it isn't really converting, is it?
it is changing rites.
converting would be if he was EOC, wouldn't it?
ETA:
Eastern rites are rites already IN the Catholic Church - just not so well known or understood in our very Western/Latin culture. But - they are already PART of the church...so i am not understanding the "converting" part...
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cactus mouse wrote:
Betsy wrote:
My husband converted from Byzantine Catholic. It was before we were married and it was a HUGE ordeal and required our very patient and holy parish priest to do A LOT of work. The case (is that the right word) ended up going to Rome with the Byzantine equivalent. It was very stressful as it took almost a year and if it would have been brought to light that he was converting and we were getting married in the Roman right he would have not been allowed to convert. period.
Just my two-cents that it's not a trivial deal.
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i'm confused.
it isn't really converting, is it?
it is changing rites.
converting would be if he was EOC, wouldn't it?
ETA:
Eastern rites are rites already IN the Catholic Church - just not so well known or understood in our very Western/Latin culture. But - they are already PART of the church...so i am not understanding the "converting" part... |
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Bad choice of word. He didn't convert he changed rites.
As you stated he was "In" the Catholic Church as a Byzantine Catholic, however, that is what he had to do to change rites.
Also, once you change I don't believe it's possible to change back...they don't want a revolving door kind of policy.
Sorry for the confussion
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It is licit to attend other rites in communion with Rome without changing rites.
As a matter of fact, Fr. Mitch Pacwa of EWTN is bi-ritual, meaning he may offer mass in the Latin rite and also the Maronite (I think). We have a Maronite parish nearby and my friend belongs there. She has also attended many a Latin rite Mass with our homeschooling group. And we have been invited to attend festivals and such at that church.
Now that the Anglicans are getting a prelature, I can't wait to see if we get an Anglican Catholic parish so I can go see their liturgy!
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I belong to an Anglican Rite Parish and it is not a different rite - it is referred to as the Anglican Use Liturgy of the Roman Rite. The liturgy is beautiful and very reverent.
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Anglican Rite Parish? Link please....
I think looking at the church universal with the knowledge of these rites makes the Liturgy so much more alive. We worship with these people even if we don't attend the same Rite. Although visiting a Byzantine Ruthenian Church was a great experience for me. I really enjoyed the Divine Liturgy of St John Chrystom. I personally would go there every week if it wasn't three hours away. The sung liturgy draws my children in so much more than the quiet.
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Marcia wrote:
Anglican Rite Parish? Link please....
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Here is the one I am familiar with. We have gone to it several times although it is over an hour drive for us.
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Hi Lisa,
That is our parish. It is beautiful and we were so happy to find it when the Army transferred us to San Antonio.
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beautiful! Nice to learn something new!
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We had a contract chaplain at our first duty station who was Albanian Rite. He had permission from our (Italian) diocese to say Mass on base and to assist with diocesan paperwork pertaining to American Catholic families on the base. He was a truly holy man...very kind and caring and devout. We were blessed to have him (and he did help one friend discover his vocation to the Albanian Rite priesthood - amazing considering where we were located!).
Fascinating thread! So much to learn!
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My dh attended a Maronite Rite mass at the Catholic church were he was attending weekend classes for three years. He was able to receive sacraments there, but of course, all he needed was Eucharist and Reconciliation.
This is an interesting thread. Thanks, Mary, for sharing the information on the different rites. I want to add this to our studies of the history of the church.
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I'm curious.....could my son make his First Reconciliation with a Byzantine priest, even though we are from the Latin Rite....and even his First Holy Communion? I know they don't "do" First Communion, because the children receive as babies on up.....but I thought it was still okay to do this...anybody?
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4 lads mom wrote:
| I'm curious.....could my son make his First Reconciliation with a Byzantine priest, even though we are from the Latin Rite....and even his First Holy Communion? I know they don't "do" First Communion, because the children receive as babies on up.....but I thought it was still okay to do this...anybody? |
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Well, that's an interesting thought, given the general state of ccd in this country. My understanding is that the child receives all the sacraments as a baby at baptism.
ETA: Actually, now that I think about it, its not just other rites, but the practice of a country as well. When I lived in So CA, it wasn't unheard of for people to cross the border in to Mexico and spend a weekend at a retreat of sorts, and then a Latin Rite priest would give all the sacraments to the children present, no matter what their age. You can imagine how the local bishops in the US felt about this! 
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4 lads mom wrote:
| I'm curious.....could my son make his First Reconciliation with a Byzantine priest, even though we are from the Latin Rite....and even his First Holy Communion? I know they don't "do" First Communion, because the children receive as babies on up.....but I thought it was still okay to do this...anybody? |
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I don't believe that you can. I have a very fuzzy understanding of the "rules" but the Priest that did help us said that although they are under Rome (right words??) and they have the True Presence, we aren't to receive Communion there unless it's an emergency type situation. I don't really understand the particulars...and it may by different for different Rites. I don't believe that attending different Rites is to be though of as "just another Catholic Church". I wish I had more "facts" to share instead of relying on my understand and memory. I guess in the end I don't believe that this is as cut and dry and it seems it should be!!!
Also, for paperwork purposes you are suppose to receive Sacraments at your registered Parish. So despite the different Rite issues, that could be an issue as well.
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