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I love all the planning threads and topics. My problem has always been that I spend waaaaay more time THINKING about planning and DREAMING about planning and PLANNING to plan and yet failing to actually plan. I have only 3 kiddos and I just can't seem to find time sooo:
Do you plan during the day while kids are under foot? I personally have a hard time concentrating and working to plan in 5-10 min. blocks of time betw. everyone's needs, fights, wants, lessons etc.
Do you plan in the evening after kids are in bed? I'm sooo tired by then...too tired in morning too! LOL If it's when kids are in bed it would have to be evening for me.
Do you plan on week-ends in a chunk of time while hubby tends to kiddos?
Do you plan lessons, check work, file papers on a daily, weekly, monthly basis?
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One of the things that helps me plan just about anything.. is that I need to jot down (write in an email draft) something when I think of it.. that means I have more organizing than thinking of ideas when I do have time to sit down with it.. and I don't lose ideas to poor memory 
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Do you mean the big-picture planning that is done before the year starts, Kathryn? Or the more detailed day-to-day planning?
The detailed planning that considers the *what* of the year I spend several months on...working from the outside in towards the smaller details so that once a year starts I have a VERY good skeleton with booklists and ideas to work from. At this point I'm ready for weekly planning.
I also tend to plan in themes...sometimes it has a very unit study feel...sometimes it's a little less formal than that even. I might plan out a *chunk* of something during the year. Hmmm...let me think of an example..........ok....I decided I wanted the children to spend some time getting to know the microscope for a part of this year. I planned a few books for them to read, did a little research on the internet, found some printables for them, gathered together a few ideas. We read first. From our reading come a few more ideas which I make note of in my plans. (I keep all of this in a folder in the file basket on my desk.) As I plan weekly, I refer to my folder of ideas...I pull a few more ideas out and add it to the weekly lesson plans. Things unfold informally in a sense...I have not planned out a 6 week structured study in the use of a microscope, but rather, I allow time to read, work with the scope, identify key parts, work with slides, slip covers, view different specimens, some pre-prepared, others we prepare, etc. That's an example of something I planned on the fly.
The biggies...like History plans...these I plan for and consider before our year begins. I have a booklist I'm working from all year. So, my detailed weekly planning consists of...consider what the child has completed this past week...consider challenges/issues in need of remediation/brainstorming...look to the booklists I have made...add assignments to next week's plans.
This can be done in so many different ways!!
Some people feel very stifled and limited by plans that are written ahead of time...but thrive in journaling what was actually accomplished. They prefer days to evolve more naturally. Others like detailed plans for the entire year complete and before them. It's a comfort to have that level of structure done ahead of time. I would say I fall somewhere in the middle. I like to have a good skeleton idea of what we're doing. But, I like to leave room for a little spontaneity and flexibility, so my detailed plans are written on a weekly basis. I complete a lot of research and list making...booklists, etc...beforehand though, so the weekly process goes fairly quickly. All that is to say that you need to find where you naturally fall on that spectrum. Be realistic and honest about your abilities, time constraints, needs, season of life as you consider this. There isn't a right or better answer. We each plan to fit and accommodate our homes and individual styles!!!
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Yes. My goal is to print the next week's lesson plans on Thursday. I print them and spend Thursday and Friday working on adding the details to them. I am able to get most of my work done during afternoon quiet times, which are STRICTLY ENFORCED here!! The older children are doing independent work, and I have a couple of hours to consider the next week's plans.
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Nope. I'm too tired by then, and I enjoy carving that time out for myself for special reading, a date night with my hubby, catalog window shopping, computer time...this down time keeps me centered and balanced. I need time to unwind.
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Sometimes, if I was lax and didn't finish writing out my plans on Thurs/Fri, but not usually. Generally, if my husband is home there are other household chores in need of attention. I try to manage my time during the day so that I can complete lesson plans during quiet times in the afternoon.
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I check work that day!!!! Getting behind means I'm WAY behind. I allowed this to happen once to the detriment of my children. They were languishing with certain concepts but I didn't know it because I hadn't been faithfully checking and explaining. So I resolved to always check daily. Filing papers happens immediately. I keep a filing basket ON MY DESK! AT HAND! This is key for me! If something is complete - draft for an essay, math test, whatever - drop it into the appropriate child's file and make a note on the plans.
HTH!!  I sure hope others will chime in so we can brainstorm this more!
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I haven't read the replies so this might have been mentioned, but I have to plan to plan! To me it's like the other chores I do during the week. It's just as important as scrubbing bathrooms if I want my days to go smoothly (if I haven't planned for the week, Monday is a complete wash around here ). I usually have a time where the kids know I'm doing chores and of course they can come talk to me, but they should be doing their chores at the same time. My Friday "chore" is planning (which isn't really a chore because I enjoy it!) So if my kids are underfoot I can nicely say "kids, I am doing the planning for next week so I need you to give me some time to think. You should be cleaning your rooms". It doesn't always work, but as long as I don't sit there for hours it usually does.
Also, since we do school "super light" on Friday, it works for me to do my planning during the time I'm normally doing school stuff with the kids.
Editing to add I love Jenn's "strictly enforced quiet times"! That would also create an ideal planning time. My friend does this and says "quiet time" is the most important time of her day.
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I do my "life" planning during the day. I picked up this great "planner" at Hobby Lobby - it has a journal type page on one side and a blank page on the other, and the paper is thick, almost like cardstock. I want to say I got it in the art/sketching section. Anyway, I keep that open all day. I will write down what happened that day on the journal side, maybe not quite as it happens, but as I get to it, so it is a pretty accurate record of our days. On the blank side, I make shopping lists, write down dates of things that I schedule, etc., books I need to get at the library, basically anything that comes to my mind. At the end of the day, I take a look at the blank side, and transfer the information to either my shopping book or to my planner on the date that we have something, etc. This doesn't take long. 5 minutes tops to transfer the information.
For homeschooling planning, I have a teacher day - one evening a month, usually on Wednesdays. (My husband travels most weekends.) I tend to go to Borders - that way, I have a table, I can use the internet if I need it, and I can also order books if I need to. I plan for the next month. This takes a couple of hours usually and hubby watches the kids.
I plan for the next year in July (we only do math and reading over the summer), but then I also have another big planning day at the end September to tweak the plan because my "grand" plan from July never quite works exactly.
I grade math and spelling immediately. Most other things I glance at, but don't grade. For the older kids, they put their things in an Inbox, and then every couple weeks, we go through the Inbox and put in the appropriate binder.
I tend to do any printing, etc. early Saturday morning.
Hope that helps!
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Andi's post reminded me about the yearly planning that I do as well. I start my yearly planning in the Spring. I do alot of this sort of planning in the early mornings before the kids are up. This is computer work for me as I spend the time researching what books I will want to use, what methods, etc. (I spend alot of that time at these boards gleaning wisdom and ideas!) I try to get everything organized with book lists ready to go before the local homeschool conference which is in June. I buy all my books for the coming year at, or just after that conference, then I try to put everything away for awhile to give myself a school break. (It's actually difficult for me to not start planning when the new books start coming in though!)
In August, I make sure all the nitty gritty stuff for the coming school year is taken care of before we actually start towards the end of the month.
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Andi, I really like the idea of a "planned planning day" at the end of September to tweak things. I have to agree, my ideas for schedules and other things often flop and I need to adjust. A day at the end of September (which would be about 5 weeks into the year for us) would be great.
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Mackfam wrote:
I check work that day!!!! Getting behind means I'm WAY behind. I allowed this to happen once to the detriment of my children. They were languishing with certain concepts but I didn't know it because I hadn't been faithfully checking and explaining. So I resolved to always check daily. Filing papers happens immediately. I keep a filing basket ON MY DESK! AT HAND! This is key for me! If something is complete - draft for an essay, math test, whatever - drop it into the appropriate child's file and make a note on the plans.
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This is where I struggle terribly! I think all those years of being a classroom teacher and checking page after page of math problems, or worse, grammar exercises, burned it right out of me! I hate checking the kids work and I really need to be more consistant with it. One thing I do with my younger kids is look over the work while they are doing it. That way I know if they are missing a concept. But with my dd who is a bit older, i really need to get it in gear!
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I'm so glad Andie mentioned teacher days!!! I started intentionally planning them at the beginning of EVERY.SINGLE.MONTH about 2 years ago and I can't tell you what a help they are to me!!!!!
I tidy the spaces, freshen the shelves, pull out books to work with, set out new activities for my younger children, consider my lesson plans, ask the children for feedback on how things are going, make a few adjustments if needed. It keeps things feeling fresh and always considered...and having a day set-aside specifically to do this allows me to be honest with my plans and myself and reflect and adjust accordingly.
It would be lovely to have a teacher day in a quiet space that was uninterrupted...like a bookstore or library...but my teacher days are usually at the beginning or end of the week...with the children...at home. I pay my older children to watch the littles, take them outside, make lunch, everything for the day. I allow a strategically placed favorite movie if I need some focused time. Alternatively, if your older children can't watch your littles, you can set up a big tent in the living room with sheets and clothespins; this is special to my kids and they have fun for hours there...while I work!
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Oh, Jennifer, I'm quite sure that I got the idea from you! LOL But it has helped SO much to help keep me organized and on track.
I also have a monthly "clean-up" too - usually the weekend before a new month. Some of it I do in the evenings after the children are in bed, but some of it we do together or I do while the older two watch their little brother. I imagine that our learning areas would get really cluttered if we didn't go through at least monthly - plus it gives me an opportunity to change up things on the wall, etc.
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I'm so glad Andie mentioned teacher days!!! I started intentionally planning them at the beginning of EVERY.SINGLE.MONTH about 2 years ago and I can't tell you what a help they are to me!!!!!
I tidy the spaces, freshen the shelves, pull out books to work with, set out new activities for my younger children, consider my lesson plans, ask the children for feedback on how things are going, make a few adjustments if needed. It keeps things feeling fresh and always considered...and having a day set-aside specifically to do this allows me to be honest with my plans and myself and reflect and adjust accordingly.
It would be lovely to have a teacher day in a quiet space that was uninterrupted...like a bookstore or library...but my teacher days are usually at the beginning or end of the week...with the children...at home. I pay my older children to watch the littles, take them outside, make lunch, everything for the day. I allow a strategically placed favorite movie if I need some focused time. Alternatively, if your older children can't watch your littles, you can set up a big tent in the living room with sheets and clothespins; this is special to my kids and they have fun for hours there...while I work! |
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I would say both. Since last year was my first year, I just enrolled the kids in Seton and had the lesson plans and figured everything would fall into place and I'd follow those little plans and check those boxes and life would be good. Well, as most of you prob. know that did NOT happen! I was literally sick to my stomach for the first 6 weeks of school (lost 6 pounds too!) b/c I could not keep up with all those lesson plans!
Then I got a groove around end of Oct thru Dec and was doing the daily checking work, weekly planning of the tasks and then came Christmas and 2 year old that starting climbing out of her crib so not napping and not going to bed till 10 pm when she did and then my step-father's terminal cancer and eventual passing combined at the same time with surprise baby # 4 and the winter doldrums which we usu. don't have in TX but were pretty bad for us and combined w/ an ill parent and 1st trimester fatigue, I did barely anything school related for 2 solid months. So, I guess I'm trying to get back into a groove and find what works and how to continue.
As most people are looking at the end of the year, I'm looking at prob. not even having completed HALF of what would be considered their 3rd and 5th grade "real" schoolwork. I know we're going to have to continue into Summer and I plan on starting the 1st of August to give us at least 7-8 weeks before the baby comes.
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I just don't know how to do this. I suppose I don't know WHAT they need to cover which is why I went w/ the prepackaged curriculum. I would sooo prefer doing unit study type things. They're only 2 grades apart so that works better for us all and certainly would help w/ planning. However, I'm not as concerned about my daughter as I am my son. He seems to really lag in so many areas. He is improving but people always say "so has homeschooling helped him catch up with his peers?" Well, prob. not...he's prob. still lagging a minimum of 6 months from where he "should" be and I fear that my lack of planning and doing anything more school-y could make that gap grow.
I did enroll them in some homeschool classes in Jan that they seem to enjoy and I've been pleased with the work they do there. I still shudder to think if he had to take a standardized test! That prob. adds to my anxiety as well.
I'm leaning toward CHC for at least some subjects. Seton's ok it's just very intense and until they need those grades and transcripts in high school, I think it's too much.
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Ok, I was doing lesson plans on Sunday night which wasn't working...that is family time and not the way to start the next week.
How do you strictly enforce quiet time, specifically for a 2 year old?
Well, that expands waaay beyond my "when do you plan" question but I guess I was trying to clarify where I'm coming from being so new to all this. Dad's also been mostly hands off (unless I ask him to do some reading with them on a rare occasion) and letting me do pretty much anything and everything which is nice on one hand that he trusts whatever I do but I think I need him to keep us all accountable. We'll see if I can enlist him. Honestly, I'm not sure he would want that role after working all day he just wants to hang out w/ his family and relax. That sounds like a whole other topic.
Thanks for all the posts and ideas and everyone's way of doing things. I think a lot of it appears to be just SCHEDULE this time which I've been very lax about. I continue to watch with interest.
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Kathryn~
There are lots of threads in the archives about QUIET TIME and ideas for implementing, enforcing and encouraging this. I think most of them would be in the Mothering or Living Learning Forum. Let me know if you're having a hard time finding some and I'll search later.
AND...feel free to start a new thread with your specifics and we'll help brainstorm and problem-solve! I consider my role as "Quiet-Time-Monitor" one of the most important and crucial parts of my day! 
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Kathryn, I'll mention something that I'm doing this year and I'm happily considering for next. If you're referring to your Seton enrollment, you can always call the counselors to receive advice on how to finish out the year. In the elementary years, Seton can be flexible.
I've enrolled in several homeschools over the years. They each have their strengths. I'm discovering for my family that Seton's record keeping and grading services are very helpful. I believe their core courses are English, Reading, Religion and Math. Within those courses, they have only a few assignments which are graded by the school.
I have a child enrolled in Seton this year. I'm going to focus on the assignments which are graded by the school in the core courses. In English, there is a paragraph. Reading has book reports. I love the religion graded portion -- it's mostly the Baltimore Catechism. Math is... well Math is Math.
This has been very helpful for me. So much so that I'm considering enrolling another child next year simply for the record keeping and grading services. (I have six students, two preschoolers and a new baby too coming in Oct). I haven't figured everything out yet. I need to call. But Seton will give you a book credit if you don't order all the books with enrollment.
In other words, I hope to enroll in Seton and still enjoy some flexibility. I'm hopeful that this will work. It has so far this year. Does this make sense?
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I bet you've covered a lot more than you think, and truthfully it WILL all settle out. Helen gave you some great suggestions to pursue with Seton. I would ask them to help you assess how to finish out the basics of the year in a reasonable way. Drop your expectations so that they are reasonably able to be met - that's an instant stress reliever. Then, acknowledge God provided the timing of everything you experienced last year - His timing is BEST! Give yourself permission to roll with His timing. There is peace right there.
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Since it sounds like you're leaning towards a unit study approach so that you can work with both kids at once (just allowing them to go to different levels), I'd suggest considering a period of history for next year and build your plans around that. So, let's say you choose to study American History - gather a few catalogs, choose some living books, make some plans for making a Book of Centuries or Timelines, use your history living books to springboard ideas for projects, crafts, copywork, dictations, narrations. Everything is connected to what you're studying in American History. Add in religion, math, and nature study. This is just an example. If you're concerned because you're not sure how to plan for the "WHAT" of next year, take a look at some sites that do unit studies well - Winterpromise is one, Beautiful Feet Books does a great job too. (**Note...neither of these sites are Catholic. I have used a few of the Beautiful Feet guides and have felt it helpful to substitute a couple of books here or there, but not substantial substitutions, and the guides are easy to use. Still...it's worth mentioning.) Anyway...just look around a bit. Decide 1) WHAT you'd like everything to be connected to next year if you pursue unit studies, and then 2) look around a bit to see how others might do this so you can gather a few ideas.
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It's a good habit I enforce gently but firmly. A good book with some ideas for habit training is Laying down the rails.
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Yes, do! This could be very helpful! Good habits allow me a freedom of movement and ability to relax more during the day. It's something I'm always working on - my own habits and the children's!!!
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Hey! This sounds great! Ask him if he'll help you brainstorm in the evenings. My husband is pretty hands off, too, but very supportive! He's not involved in the details like I am, but he's great about sitting with me and helping me with big picture brainstorming! Brainstorm together! Make lists during the day. Observe everything! List your challenges, trouble the kids are giving you, problems you're having with specific subjects/curriculum, etc. Have some brainstorming sessions and ask him to help you see if your expectations are realistic? Do the kids need to do more bending? Do you need to bend and relax? Maybe he'll suggest that you stay with Seton - Helen gave some great ideas on how this might be able to work for you. There is great peace and a lot of wisdom in listening to my husband. He knows me VERY WELL, and he knows our children. He's a great advocate to enlist in big picture planning/considering/brainstorming.
Are we getting closer, Kathryn? It sounds like it was an intense first year of home schooling! Allow yourself some time to get comfortable in these shoes. It will come! Can we get more detailed with brainstorming this? There are some great responses and ideas for you in this thread to add to your toolbox, but come back and ask more questions if we can brainstorm more!
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I did find a couple and will check out the book that Jen referred as well. I also need to go back to that thread I posted a few months ago about "How to school w/ a toddler" and get some ideas into my daily planning as well.
Well, there's one detail...
I'm going to ponder on the others while they're all in classes this morning and see if I can make some headway in my thought processes and how to finish out this year while thinking ahead. I'll be back!
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Ok...I just spent about 30+ min. w/ the Seton gal and she did give me some helpful advice on finishing out the year and getting some grades for the kids so we all felt some sense of accomplishment and completion. Plus, knowing where to focus to move forward for next year.
Now, back to getting those blocks of time planning down as well as their weekly/daily tasks.
Wish me luck....
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Kathryn in TX
(dd 16, ds 15, dd 8, dd 5)
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Topic: WHEN do you plan?
