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I am on a mailing list for pro-life group here in my state. They sent me this youtube link regarding Barak Obama.
I had NO idea he was so ANTI-life. I am just so sad and disgusted that our country allows such blatant disregard for life. It's truly sickening.
I guess all we can do is pray and vote. I feel really helpless after viewing this video.
**below is the link but be warned, it's very sad and distrubing - it shows Obama's position on Infanticide**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo
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You know we live in a world that has become so self interested. I was debating this same issue on diaperswappers this weekend and most women would say "well I don't agree with abortion, but I agree with keeping it legal, for the sake of women's right"
Planned Parenthood has done a great job to spew their agenda through out the world. And senators such as Obama have done their job to uphold this so called right.
I am disgusted with this more so because as I have talked to women on those boards they have stronger convictions for cloth diapering, breastfeding and vaxing. Yet abortion is up for grab?
I am scared to watch the youtube video because I don't like to see blantant disrespect for children. But it was one of the sources that was brought up by pro lifers on DS.
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I also had to add that I am shocked at the ignorance to all that goes behind abortion by these pro choicers.  They just FEEL as though it is all ok as long as they are not getting one themselves.
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Since you asked, Vanna...
This is the policy on posting political topics/information:
Be cautious when posting about political concerns. In general, it is acceptable to post political notices and bulletins to keep members informed. It is unacceptable to debate party politics which is beyond the purview and expertise of the moderators. Debates of this type should be done privately.
This could be informational and considered helpful in discerning voting choices.
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I haven't watched the video--our computer stays in a public place in the house. And I am certainly not pro-choice in any way shape or form (obviously). But I really do dislike it when videos or emails like this circulate.
I went to Obama's website to see if there was any kind of explanation of his votes and found this, if anyone is interested in reading.
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck2/2008/06/
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I blogged a bit about Obama's supposed reasons for his vote here and there is more on the issue here.
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Thank you, Vanna and Tracy, for the information you provided.
God Bless,
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There are so many prayers needed that the great country of the USA continues forging more and more pro-life inititives as it has in recent years, until row vs wade is abolished, it would seem this up and coming election is critically important.
Here are two articles from the Life Site, here, and here.
As someone from another western country, we look up to the US and are greatly inspired by their passsion, especially their strong pro-life ideals, if only our country were like that!
You will have my prayers for this election.
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Thank you, Anne! I have prayed for this election as well and can only watch it from the distance here in Wales. Being in the states over the last few weeks has really brought home some realities to me. I know that this is not necessarily the place to discuss this (it is an education forum), but I truly worry about the freedoms that we enjoy in our country.
That being said, when I see these videos about anything regarding the end to human life, I am brought to tears. I just cannot understand the complete disregard for human life. We currently live in a country where abortion is available ... on a regular basis. This has so awakened me to the differences between the states and other countries.
But when I see this, I so want to go to these hospitals and just hold these babies for whatever brief life that they may have. It just seems that this is the least thing that I can do.
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I'm a little surprised that someone here would link directly to a candidate's campaign website.
Barack Obama is the most extremely pro-abortion candidate we've ever had running for president. Here are some further details about Obama and infanticide:
Creative Minority Report
Jill Stanek
That second link takes you to Jill Stanek's website. Jill is the courageous nurse who first exposed the practice of letting "failed" abortion survivors die by neglect, and was instrumental in getting the Born Alive Infants Protection laws passed; she's a real pro-life hero, IMO.
(Edited to add live links.)
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Red Cardigan wrote:
I'm a little surprised that someone here would link directly to a candidate's campaign website.
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And why is that? If we are discussing Barack Obama's stance on an issue, then it would seem prudent to go directly to the source, rather than relying entirely on 2nd or 3rd party sources. The same goes for any informational posting, really. This is such a sensitive and important issue that I think it is vital that we do all we can to keep our facts straight.
I do have to express my concern, however, that this thread needs to stay informational in content, as per board policy, and not veer off into opinion/party politics, etc.
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I think it is important to remember that even the Pope has spoken out against Catholic Americans voting based on one issue alone.
There are many many ways to disregard and fail to care for the children of our nation. Our nation is guilty of doing this in many ways and they are not all the work of the pro-choice politicians.
We need to continue to pray for our nation because we are in crisis.
I hope that's not too political to post here. Relative to what others have said, it does not seem to cross the line in my mind so I hope I have not.
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As far as being one issue goes, I feel about abortion the way Abraham Lincoln felt about slavery. He said "If slavery isn't wrong, then nothing is wrong." I think the same is true of abortion--if abortion's not wrong, then what is? It's my main issue, and I vote accordingly. I'd be interested in reading exactly what the Pope said about choosing a candidate based on their position on abortion.
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Oh, I think that abortion is wrong and I believe that a person has a duty to vote her conscience.
Im just saying there is a lot that is wrong with our country and Id not vote a demon into the white house just because he claims to be pro-life/anti-abortion.
War, poverty, capital punishment, availability of health care, the treatment of the elderly...all are LIFE issues. This was the thrust of what the Pope was talking about in terms of being Catholic and voting.
My Aunt who is a Little Sister of the Poor was talking to me about the Pope's comments. I will ask her for the reference.
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The 4th paragraph of ADDRESS OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI
TO THE MEMBERS OF THE EUROPEAN PEOPLE'S PARTY
ON THE OCCASION OF THE STUDY DAYS ON EUROPE
As far as the Catholic Church is concerned, the principal focus of her interventions in the public arena is the protection and promotion of the dignity of the person, and she is thereby consciously drawing particular attention to principles which are not negotiable. Among these the following emerge clearly today:
- protection of life in all its stages, from the first moment of conception until natural death;
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Or, Michaela can graciously provide it instead. :-) Thank you.
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lapazfarm wrote:
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I'm a little surprised that someone here would link directly to a candidate's campaign website.
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And why is that? If we are discussing Barack Obama's stance on an issue, then it would seem prudent to go directly to the source, rather than relying entirely on 2nd or 3rd party sources. The same goes for any informational posting, really. This is such a sensitive and important issue that I think it is vital that we do all we can to keep our facts straight.
I do have to express my concern, however, that this thread needs to stay informational in content, as per board policy, and not veer off into opinion/party politics, etc. |
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Hey, no offense was meant. It's just that the particular area of the website linked to is the "Fight the Smears" area which is set up to respond to anything the McCain campaign, the media, or others have to say about Obama that's even remotely negative. It's not merely a neutral statement of his position on issues, in other words, unlike the "Issues" area of the site.
Here's another link from me:
Obama's record on abortion.
Warning: that link takes you to the "prochoiceamerica" website. I chose it b/c it can't possibly be considered biased *against* Obama; he's given a perfect 100% "pro choice" voting record and has been endorsed by NARAL. In addition, one of the pieces of legislation Obama mentions co-sponsoring is described here.
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From The Rosary, Faith, and the Public Square by Bishop Olmsted of the Diocese of Phoenix, author of Catholics in the Public Square:
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Not all social issues are of equal importance, either. It is good
to recall the words of our late Holy Father John Paul II who wrote,
“Above all, the common outcry, which is justly made on behalf of
human rights – for example, the right to health, to home, to work,
to family, to culture – is false and illusory if the right to life, the
most basic and fundamental right and the condition for all other
personal rights, is not defended with the maximum determination
(Christifideles laici, #38).”
In a similar vein, Pope Benedict, in an address earlier this
year to European Politicians, said, “As far as the Catholic Church
is concerned, the principal focus of her interventions in the public
arena is the protection and promotion of the dignity of the person,
and she is thereby consciously drawing particular attention to
principles which are not negotiable. Among these the following
emerge clearly today:
· Protection of life in all its stages, from the first moment of
conception until natural death;
· Recognition and promotion of the natural structure of the
family – as a union between a man and a woman based on
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Unfortunately, the links from this previous post are no longer available online (although Bishop Olmsted's book *is* available for purchase at the above link), but this excerpt from Catholics in the Public Square is worth repeating here:
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Are there any “non-negotiable” issues for Catholics involved in politics?
There are several issues that are “not negotiable” for Catholics in political life, because they involve matters that are intrinsically evil. In an address to European politicians on March 30, 2006, Pope Benedict XVI stated: “ As far as the Catholic Church is concerned, the principal focus of her interventions in the public arena is the protection and promotion of the dignity of the person, and she is thereby consciously drawing particular attention to principles which are not negotiable. Among these the following emerge clearly today:
• Protection of life in all its stages, from the first moment of conception until natural death;
• Recognition and promotion of the natural structure of the family – as a union between a man and a woman based on marriage – and its defense from attempts to make it juridically equivalent to radically different forms of union which in reality harm it and contribute to its destabilization, obscuring its particular character and its irreplaceable social role;
• The protection of the rights of parents to educate their children.”
The issues mentioned by Pope Benedict are all “non-negotiable” and are some of the most contemporary issues in the political arena. I should note, however, that other issues, while not intrinsically evil, deserve prayerful consideration, such as questions of war and capital punishment, poverty issues and matters relating to illegal immigration. |
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Theresa, you are very right to point out the delicate nature of such a topic, I hope my words reflect that need.
My experience is that political parties can be very deceptive about their own stances if they are being attacked/questioned over them. I saw it in our own elections in Nov last year and I'm already seeing it in the US lead-up. I am not targeting any particular party in stating this, unfortunately the vast marjority of them can dabble in it to varying degrees.
I would venture to say that as Catholics we have the teaching Magisterium, good pastors and Church organizations that are faithful to the Church to help guide and instruct, in the States you are so very forunate to have many strong, faithful voices doing that.
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Well, in the interest of being fair and balanced,  here's a little info on our other option for president this year.
Seems we might be danged if we do or danged if we don't!
http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/John_McCain_Abortion.htm
I think there are a host of issues with both candidates this election that are major stumbling blocks.  I think research on both men and their decisions and choices is prudent. I'm also very concerned with "life" issues concerning war, as well. Don't know exactly what to do with that yet, but as an Army brat whose Dad was in Vietnam the year I was born, I sure have learned to like peace time better than tours of duty.
As far as finding websites with neutral statements of candidates' positions--even the "fair & balanced" often aren't. I think we're all pretty intelligent girls--we can figure out if someone has a slant either way.
The election is 78 days away--maybe we could pray a novena when the time arrives.
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