| Author | |
Vasalisa
Forum Newbie
Joined: Sept 01 2011
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 7
|
| Posted: Sept 01 2011 at 10:17pm | IP Logged
|
 |
|
I apologize for making an introductory post in this area, but I couldn't find the Tea and Sympathy section (or whatever it's called) for doing so.
My only child isn't quite four yet, so we're in no rush to start anything like formal lessons, but I'm trying to get prepared. I am embarrassed to admit I know very little. What exactly is it you DO when you start homeschooling? Do you have to register? I suppose the legal aspect varies by state; I am in the state of Virginia. What can the Virginia members tell me that I need to know?
What about accreditation? How important is that?
I'm looking at different methods. I'm strongly attracted to the superficial aspects of Waldorf, and yes, I have poked around this site enough to realize that this is a heated topic, to say the least. Can anyone suggest curricula that are more relaxed, creative, and naturey without being -- let's just say it -- appallingly weird in their spirituality?
I am brand new to all of this and will not be offended at being talked to as if I'm ignorant, because I absolutely am.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Mackfam
Board Moderator
Non Nobis
Joined: April 24 2006
Location: Alabama
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 14656
|
| Posted: Sept 01 2011 at 10:35pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Hello Vasalisa and welcome!!! 
I don't think you're as ignorant as you may think you are. Home education is always just stepping out a little further each year. When your child is ready for K, you'll simply keep doing EXACTLY what you've been doing all along....just stepping out a little more. It seems enormous right now, but I think with a little reading and reassurance, you'll probably find that the tools you're looking for already live within your skillset! The addition of a library card or a home library of wonderful picture books would more than get you sailing!
I think you'll find that most of us here enjoy a very relaxed, creative approach for our little people that encourages children spending time in the out of doors. In fact, you've just described my younger years curriculum! I know you'll find more specifics on the boards and I'm so glad you're here! For VA specifics, try looking at the HSLDA site for Virginia.
Vasalisa wrote:
| I'm looking at different methods. I'm strongly attracted to the superficial aspects of Waldorf, and yes, I have poked around this site enough to realize that this is a heated topic, to say the least. Can anyone suggest curricula that are more relaxed, creative, and naturey without being -- let's just say it -- appallingly weird in their spirituality? |
|
|
I'm so glad you've looked around here to see some of the history with regard to Waldorf. You might also be interested to read the 4Real Board's policy with regard to Waldorf conversations at 4Real, and Waldorf in general. But, I think I understand what you're asking about! Waldorf doesn't own relaxed and creative ideas in working with young children. These are ideas which can be found as common, or universal, in many philosophies of education. I enjoy a Charlotte Mason type education with my children and find all of those requirements more than met in this manner and philosophy of education.
I'm going to move your Introduction post to Tea and Conversation! Do take a look around the Early Childhood Learning forum for ideas as well!
Welcome! Welcome!
__________________
Jen Mackintosh
Wife to Rob, mom to dd 19 , ds 16, ds 11, dd 8, and dd 3
Wildflowers and Marbles
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Vasalisa
Forum Newbie
Joined: Sept 01 2011
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 7
|
| Posted: Sept 01 2011 at 10:49pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Thank you! Thanks for the links. I don't want to start an argument about the W word. I looked at a couple of Charlotte Mason sites and I saw some similar ideas, although obviously with completely different reasoning behind them. I'm interested just in knowing what others do and what methods are out there. I've somehow gotten the idea that Charlotte Mason is just for fundamentalists, but that's obviously not the case.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
guitarnan
Forum Moderator
Joined: Feb 07 2005
Location: Maryland
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 10883
|
| Posted: Sept 01 2011 at 11:02pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
While there are members here at 4Real who use a wide variety of methods/approaches/curricula, we came together initially based on an interest in Charlotte Mason's educational philosophy. Living Books are especially important in the Catholic Charlotte Mason approach, as are narrations, nature study and living the liturgical year.
My family has just started year 10 of our homeschooling journey. I worried a lot about accreditation with my older son, but it has never been an issue. He is in his second year of community college and his (we're hoping!) transfer school doesn't need to see anything from high school with his application. I'm just one parent, of course, but I'm also a freelance writer who develops college profiles for websites...and most colleges care far more about what students study, how they can demonstrate what they know (standardized tests) and how they have involved themselves in their studies and extracurricular activities than they care about accredited homeschool programs. Your child is young, and you have plenty of time to do this type of homework.
Although I'm not a total Charlotte Mason educator (we use a few workbooks in addition to living books in our home), I think her approach to education might be what you are looking for (relaxed, creative, steeped in nature). Nature study and narration (oral, written and/or artistic) are key elements of the Charlotte Mason approach to learning. Copywork is important, too, and it can come from anywhere...reading selections, Bible verses, etc.
I'm glad you've taken a look at our position on Waldorf; because of the Church's teaching on New Age (including Waldorf) philosophies, we do not host discussions of Waldorf teachings or educational methods here.
However, we do have much to offer in the areas of living books, nature study, arts in the everyday, narration and many other aspects of a vibrant, faith-centered home education experience. I invite you to delve into our message boards (either by searching or by asking questions) and to ask any question that leaps to mind. I don't live in Virginia, but I know we have some members there, and I am sure they will be happy to answer your specific questions.
__________________
Nancy in MD. Mom of ds (24) & dd (18); 31-year Navy wife, move coordinator and keeper of home fires. Writer and dance mom.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
ShannonJ
Forum Pro
Joined: July 08 2011
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 172
|
| Posted: Sept 02 2011 at 6:50am | IP Logged
|
|
|
Welcome Vasalisa!
I think that you will find this board to be a virtual treasure trove of ideas that you can use in designing your homeschool experience to be just what you are seeking - rich in nature, and full of natural learning experiences.
Nature study is a wonderful component of Charlotte Mason learning and is very informal in our house. Just taking the time to observe the little things that are so easily passed in the rush of the everyday, provides such a wealth of learning opportunities! Taking this time to slow down and enjoy the amazing world around us is so natural and EASY, and the best part of homeschooling for me.
We just recently moved to VA and the hs laws here are very easy to comply with. We simply send in a notification of intent to HS at the beginning of each year, with VERY basic information regarding the courses of study for each child. At the end of the year, you can administer a standardized test for your child and submit it to the Superintendent of the county that you submitted your LOI to. Should you choose not to test you can also have an portfolio review/evaluation from a teacher or someone with a Master's degree. Here is the verbiage. The Organization of Virginia Homeschoolers is another wonderful site to get information.
__________________
~Shannon
Mom of dd 12, ds 9, & dd 5
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
kristinannie
Forum All-Star
Joined: Jan 27 2011
Location: West Virginia
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1363
|
| Posted: Sept 02 2011 at 12:06pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Welcome to the exciting journey of homeschooling. This is a wonderful group of ladies that has so much knowledge. They have all helped me so much. I am also new at this. My oldest is in K this year.
Feel free to ask any questions you like. I know there are lots of ladies from VA on here. I live 10 minutes from VA in WV.  I think the general consensus on this board is to slowly ease into learning, especially at age 4. This is a great opportunity for you to really research the different philosophies of education. I would get some books from the library or Amazon on Charlotte Mason, Classical education, unit studies or whatever else you think might interest you. I know you are thinking about Waldorf, but I think you could really benefit from Charlotte Mason's writings. I am not all that familiar with Waldorf, but CM focuses on nature study, living books, and many of the other things you are interested in.
As far as accredation, I don't think it really matters in elementary. I was worried about that as well and was going to enroll somewhere, but I decided against it because there was not one curriculum provider that I was completely satisfied with. Here are some great Catholic providers to look into: Catholic Heritage Curricula, Kolbe Academy, Mother of Divine Grace, Our Lady of Victory and Seton Homeschool.
Best of luck and God bless!!!
__________________
John Paul 8.5
Meredith Rose 7
Dominic Michael 4.5
Katherine Elizabeth 8 months
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Vasalisa
Forum Newbie
Joined: Sept 01 2011
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 7
|
| Posted: Sept 02 2011 at 2:20pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Note to moderators: I am trying to avoid getting into a forbidden topic; please let me know if I cross the line.
Like many people, I am attracted to the superficial aspects of Waldorf -- simple, natural materials, soft, bright colors, arts and crafts, nature tables, fairytales, seasonal rhythms. I am, however, repulsed by the philosophy that inspired the method's founder, and although I'm still toying with the idea of using at least parts of the curriculum with something else, I don't know if it's worth it to have to go through editing everything if I can find what I want somewhere else. From the little I know about the time period that this method emerged from, there were similar ideas floating around, and I have always liked the aesthetic, particularly for children's things, of that Edwardian/Georgian/WWI period, so I don't think it was all unique to him. And of course lots of us these days are trying to live more natural lives, so of course all that wood, wool, and beeswax is appealing.
I like the "relaxed classical" aspect of Charlotte Mason's ideas, but I'd like to incorporate more art and music-making, more creativity, and have some ideas for crafts to do. I know she wouldn't approve of children being set to work to dutifully make paper-plate-and-dried-bean tambourines, or construction paper turkeys for Thanksgiving, and there I am completely with her.
I also like her greater emphasis on academics, but the Ambleside Online website seems so very Protestant. I would be worried in particular about any science textbooks they would recommend.
I'm also a little paranoid. Does the state KNOW what homeschool curriculum you use? Do you have to give them the name? Because I wouldn't want to be on record as a Catholic homeschooler. I'd rather be seen as that crazy hippie lady who teaches knitting and baking alongside composition.
I also really, really like those books with decorated borders that the Waldorf kids make, like illuminated manuscripts -- how can I find out how to do those??
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Mackfam
Board Moderator
Non Nobis
Joined: April 24 2006
Location: Alabama
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 14656
|
| Posted: Sept 02 2011 at 2:33pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Vasalisa wrote:
| Note to moderators: I am trying to avoid getting into a forbidden topic; please let me know if I cross the line. |
|
|
Hi Vasalisa,
As Nancy pointed out, Waldorf is not a subject that we treat in any way here on the boards. You're welcome to ask, and expect to receive helpful answers, on many common practices such as art, creative pursuits, nature study, reading fairy tales, etc. These are common practices, and therefore not owned or authored by the philosophy of Waldorf.
Please note that our policy is specific:
Toward A Philosophy of Education wrote:
| Because Waldorf is associated with philosophies that have been condemned by the Church, and because we are parents, not theologians, we have determined that it is not within the purview of the 4Real Board to discuss Waldorf (formal or informal schools, curriculum, pedagogy and philosophy, Steiner's lectures, anthroposophical writings). The 4Real Board will no longer host discussions of those topics. |
|
|
This board will not host any discussion on Waldorf, whether it is about formal curriculum, informally inspired Waldorf curriculum, pedagogy or philosophy, etc.
Thank you for allowing me to more specifically explain our policy with regard to Waldorf and I look forward to your questions regarding the common practices which many of us enjoy in our homes. If you have further questions regarding the topic of Waldorf please feel free to pm me, or any other moderator.
__________________
Jen Mackintosh
Wife to Rob, mom to dd 19, ds 16, ds 11, dd 8, and dd 3
Wildflowers and Marbles
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
guitarnan
Forum Moderator
Joined: Feb 07 2005
Location: Maryland
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 10883
|
| Posted: Sept 02 2011 at 2:41pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Vasalisa, have you looked at Mater Amabilis? It's a lovely Charlotte Mason-style curriculum, and it's totally Catholic.
Catholic Heritage Curricula has a beautiful line of science texts for young, Catholic learners, the Behold and See series. You might want to check them out.
I don't live in Virginia, but I've never been asked (in the two states and one foreign country where I've turned in homeschool forms) which curriculum I use.
__________________
Nancy in MD. Mom of ds (24) & dd (18); 31-year Navy wife, move coordinator and keeper of home fires. Writer and dance mom.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Vasalisa
Forum Newbie
Joined: Sept 01 2011
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 7
|
| Posted: Sept 02 2011 at 2:41pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Okay, this is what I mean:
Can anyone tell me how she incorporates any of the creative, artistic elements in her curriculum? Specifically hands-on things, not just music and art appreciation.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
JodieLyn
Forum Moderator
Joined: Sept 06 2006
Location: Oregon
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 12234
|
| Posted: Sept 02 2011 at 2:43pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Vasalisa,
Don't fall into the trap that now that you know one curriculum that incorporates what you want that you MUST use that curriculum even if it means changing it all around to suit you.
I would be much more concerned using a curriculum that is based in philosophy that is not even Christian rather one that is Protestant.
But even that is not your choice. You have LOTS of time. Give yourself that time.. read more. These ladies know what they're talking about.. and if they're saying that Charolotte Mason has the info you're looking for.. don't let some of the interpretations or set curriculums that are not Catholic turn you off. Look for things like the ladies said "Catholic Charlotte Mason" you may find that what you're wanting IS out there.. or would be very simple to add more in.
There's also tons of resources that you can add onto whatever you choose to use. (many ladies here pick and choose rather than use a full curriculum) For instance have you seen Cay Gibson's A Picture Perfect Childhood? or Catholic Mosaic? or Christmas Mosaic?
__________________
Jodie, wife to Dave
G-18, B-17, G-15, G-14, B-13, B-11, G-9, B-7, B-5, B-4
All men who have turned out worth anything have had the chief hand in their own education.
-Sir Walter Scott
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
guitarnan
Forum Moderator
Joined: Feb 07 2005
Location: Maryland
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 10883
|
| Posted: Sept 02 2011 at 3:00pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
I'm one of those moms who started with a very, very structured approach...which, given my personality, my children's learning styles (visual son, hands-on daughter) and their large age gap, wound up going mostly Charlotte Mason, but with hands-on activities added in for my dd (e.g. a bulletin board covered with birds...I printed bird coloring pages and she colored them...learned about the species...it took all year) and visual things for my son (more books, DVDs, etc.). That's one of the true joys of homeschooling - you can make things work in ways that are best for your child, often by finding appropriate resources or by tweaking something that's already out there. The best books and activities for your particular child might not come in a big boxed set. They may be online or at your library or available from a Christian publisher.
__________________
Nancy in MD. Mom of ds (24) & dd (18); 31-year Navy wife, move coordinator and keeper of home fires. Writer and dance mom.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Mackfam
Board Moderator
Non Nobis
Joined: April 24 2006
Location: Alabama
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 14656
|
| Posted: Sept 02 2011 at 3:01pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Vasalisa wrote:
Okay, this is what I mean:
Can anyone tell me how she incorporates any of the creative, artistic elements in her curriculum? Specifically hands-on things, not just music and art appreciation. |
|
|
Yes.
I make a variety of materials which can be used to create with available and encourage its use. Specifically, in the younger years, we read. Lots. Wonderful, delicious, worthy books. Picture books mostly. With delightful illustrations. And we allow ourselves to enjoy them and everything about them. If they inspire us to want to pursue something creative - we go for it! My job? Provide materials that are open ended and invite creativity and keep them out, available and attractive so that when my child is ready to draw, watercolor, bake, model with clay, whatever....the basics are here and presented in lovely ways.
These hands on, creative moments don't have to be structured, planned, forced or accredited in order to be authentic, gentle and real. These moments are literally a part of the everyday fabric.
Now, if you need some tools or packages to help you foster creativity for a while until you feel you've hit a stride, there's nothing wrong with finding some great art curriculum. I'm a huge fan of Artistic Pursuits.
So....I make lovely artistic and creative supplies available. Things like:
** finger puppets
** watercolors
** color pencils
** modeling clay and beeswax for modeling
** acrylic paints
** glues
** felt for crafts
** various wooden craft miniatures for crafting
** markers
** fine pens and pencils for sketching
** a variety...and I do mean a PLETHORA of different kinds of paper from scratch to vellum
** art and sketch books
Then creativity is very much a part of the everyday, and generally springs from our reading. For our family, this makes this creative time and these pursuits purposeful and anchored in our reading or doing. Here's how this might look:
** A nature sketch of the humble violet we saw popping up in the garden using watercolors, and perhaps an embellished border
** Creating the violet in modeling clay
** Bake maple sugar cookies after reading our favorite picture book, The Biggest Bear by Lynd Ward.
** Using colorful silks to decorate for a liturgical Feast - Green since we're in ordinary time right now.
** A clay model of something you just read about - my older children enjoyed building clay representatives of the fleet of the Battle of Lepanto
** Felt used to make clothing and small wooden materials to represent the different Covenants God made with man for small children to interact with (Ex: Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, David)
** Wooden structures inspired after reading about something in science or learning about an element of nature
.....and many, many more!
I think you can see that creativity in our home is inspired from our reading. Specifically we:
1) Read, read, read - picture books, chapter books, but ALWAYS worthy books.
2) Are inspired to create.
3) Look to the beautiful art materials that I try to attractively display and keep out and accessible to the children.
4) Create.
5) Enjoy.
1) Read more....and repeat.
Hope this helps you see in a more specific way how a gentle curriculum which nurtures creativity might look in a real home.
__________________
Jen Mackintosh
Wife to Rob, mom to dd 19, ds 16, ds 11, dd 8, and dd 3
Wildflowers and Marbles
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Mackfam
Board Moderator
Non Nobis
Joined: April 24 2006
Location: Alabama
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 14656
|
| Posted: Sept 02 2011 at 3:05pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Vasalisa wrote:
Okay, this is what I mean:
Can anyone tell me how she incorporates any of the creative, artistic elements in her curriculum? Specifically hands-on things, not just music and art appreciation. |
|
|
And again, this question is answerable in SO MANY WAYS!!!!!! That's why I really encourage you to read through the many ideas already here in the archives, search under specific search terms, and become familiar with the Early Childhood Learning forum. I think you'll begin to see that there are a variety of ways the different families represented by these boards live out a gentle, nurturing, creative early learning style in their home. It is more a lifestyle than a curriculum, and brings with it such joys that simply cannot be adequately expressed in a single post by a single person. Allow yourself to read through and enjoy the variety of expressions here!
__________________
Jen Mackintosh
Wife to Rob, mom to dd 19, ds 16, ds 11, dd 8, and dd 3
Wildflowers and Marbles
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Mackfam
Board Moderator
Non Nobis
Joined: April 24 2006
Location: Alabama
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 14656
|
| Posted: Sept 02 2011 at 3:17pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Vasalisa wrote:
| My only child isn't quite four yet, so we're in no rush to start anything like formal lessons, |
|
|
Wonderful! I'm so glad you have time and can be relaxed about reading and learning about ideas and materials!
I might suggest The Catholic Homeschool Companion by Maureen Wittman - a wonderful, broad resource full of ideas for beginning this journey into home education.
I would also heartily recommend checking your library for Elaine Cooper's When Children Love to Learn.
And finally, The Early Years: A Charlotte Mason Preschool Handbook by Sonya Shafer and Karen Smith.
I think these books might give you some ideas to turn over as you enjoy relaxing and learning as part of the everyday with your 4 yo. Enjoy these days - they are a distinct delight!
__________________
Jen Mackintosh
Wife to Rob, mom to dd 19, ds 16, ds 11, dd 8, and dd 3
Wildflowers and Marbles
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
ShannonJ
Forum Pro
Joined: July 08 2011
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 172
|
| Posted: Sept 02 2011 at 3:33pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Vasalisa wrote:
I'm also a little paranoid. Does the state KNOW what homeschool curriculum you use? Do you have to give them the name? Because I wouldn't want to be on record as a Catholic homeschooler. I'd rather be seen as that crazy hippie lady who teaches knitting and baking alongside composition. |
|
|
It is common for new homeschoolers to be a bit nervous about the state laws regarding homeschooling. Your best reassurance is to KNOW the law. Read it. Read the interpretations. Then you can feel assured that you are actually backed by the law of your state.
It is absolutely not necessary for you specify what curriculum you are using for the state of VA. It is generally recommended that you give them only the required information in your description. For example in my LOI for my Kindergartener this year includes this statement on curriculum:
"... will begin Kindergarten with an introduction to early reading. We will address science, namely, stars and space and life-cycles. We will use a combination of curriculum and life-learning for math skills. He will also be introduced to beginning handwriting and classic literature.
Instruction is family oriented and interests are child-led. We make heavy use of the public library, multi-media materials, and various community and family resources.
I understand that I must provide evidence of educational achievement by August 1, 2012."
__________________
~Shannon
Mom of dd 12, ds 9, & dd 5
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
cathhomeschool
Board Moderator
Texas Bluebonnets
Joined: Jan 26 2005
Location: Texas
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 7303
|
| Posted: Sept 02 2011 at 4:22pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Vasalisa wrote:
| Can anyone tell me how she incorporates any of the creative, artistic elements in her curriculum? Specifically hands-on things, not just music and art appreciation. |
|
|
In addition to many of the same things that Jen does with her family, we did lots of crafts (my boys especially loved the Crafts for Kids Who Are Wild About... series and Vroom! Vroom!). We loved using lapbooks as outlets for creativity and learning as well. The great thing about lapbooks is that they can be used with any curriculum, can be big or small, can be used by preschoolers and teens...very adaptable.
__________________
Janette (4 boys - 22, 21, 15, 14)
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Vasalisa
Forum Newbie
Joined: Sept 01 2011
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 7
|
| Posted: Sept 03 2011 at 8:03am | IP Logged
|
|
|
Thank you, everyone, for your answers so far, and thank you to the moderators for being patient with me as I tried to figure out how to ask my questions without treading on forbidden territory.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
SallyT
Forum All-Star
Joined: Aug 08 2007
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2489
|
| Posted: Sept 03 2011 at 12:17pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
You might enjoy Regina Doman's House Art Journal blog. It's not a homeschooling blog per se, and she hasn't updated in a long time, but if you're looking for a mental image of what an artistic, creative, natural Catholic homeschooling life can look like, her pictures are pretty fab. I always kind of come away with House Art Envy . . .
I second the Mater Amabilis recommendation, too. We've used elements of that program for years; our homeschooling approach is pretty eclectic overall, but MA has been our major inspiration and template, even when we're not using the exact same books/levels/whatever.
I also do a lot of art-strewing -- I don't direct crafts/art projects most of the time (I too hate the "it's Thanksgiving; let's make a turkey" thing), but I make art supplies available all the time, and the children who want to use them use them. We listen to a huge and eclectic body of music -- I'm taking my kids to Asheville, NC, tonight to an outdoor bluegrass festival, for example, because we love that kind of stuff -- and sing a lot. We go walking/hiking as often as we can. I have the kids cook with me, and while I'm not a knitter, my oldest daughter is, and I'm hoping that when she comes home from college she'll take her younger sister under her wing and get her started.
Basically, as homeschoolers, we live life together the way we want to live, and our formal lessons are just part of that fabric. That's the beauty of it all, I always think.
Sally
__________________
Castle in the Sea
Abandon Hopefully
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
guitarnan
Forum Moderator
Joined: Feb 07 2005
Location: Maryland
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 10883
|
| Posted: Sept 03 2011 at 2:29pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Quote:
Basically, as homeschoolers, we live life together the way we want to live, and our formal lessons are just part of that fabric. That's the beauty of it all, I always think.
|
|
|
This is just lovely, Sally!
__________________
Nancy in MD. Mom of ds (24) & dd (18); 31-year Navy wife, move coordinator and keeper of home fires. Writer and dance mom.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
|
|
4Real Forums : Tea and Conversation
Topic: New to Homeschooling
