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Posted: Dec 13 2010 at 10:04am | IP Logged
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I need a place to vent a bit.... .
I have been bombarded from online shops and some well meaning friends starting the 12 days of Christmas countdown.
As Catholics are we the only people to understand that the 12 days of Christmas starts AFTER Christmas????
I have bitten my lip a few times with my dear Protestant friends, because I am not sure it's the issue to make a mountain out of. However, it really seems to grate on me. It take so much away from Advent and promotes that Christmas is over on Dec 26!
What do you do when in this situation? And good quips? Any good reading recourses about the history of the 12 days of Christmas and how it moved to before Christmas in the secular world?
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MaryM Board Moderator
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- vent away, Betsy...I can relate!
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Generally, yes, we are. I do have one good friend (Episcopalian) who does know and makes sure her church does as well... . She gets frustrated by it also.
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I don't usually say anything unless I really know someone well, but your post got me thinking that I really could just mention it as a little "factoid" whenever the opportunity presents itself. I would tend to just say it casually - "Did you know that unlike how it is promoted in current culture/advertising, the 12 Days of Christmas actually refers to the time from Christmas to Epiphany (the 3 kings day)? Isn't that interesting!" with a smile and see if there is opportunity to add more for a short catechesis on the topic.
I have no idea of resources that explain the shift. It was probably just gradual as most Protestant Churches and the culture shifted away from liturgical seasons, so it was lost. Without the liturgical seasons - Christmas is the culmination, the end in their eyes, not the beginning of a season. So if you don't know about liturgical seasons and those customs you hear a song like "12 Days of Christmas" and think "huh?" - so it must be something that anticipates the season to them. If you were to ask anyone how/why if fits the days before Christmas, they would have no answer. It doesn't make any sense - 12 days before - why 12 days - nothing of significance. It's not the number of days of Advent, or of December days before Christmas, or even a full number of weeks...if anyone thinks about it, it does not make sense.
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I think a lot of people know about the true 12 days but only in a cultural context (e.g. they might know from friends or personal experience that in some European countries, Epiphany is the big day to receive gifts, not Christmas, and they're 12 days apart).
I think I'd adopt Mary's approach, too.
One of my friends (Protestant) told me last night she was very upset at church yesterday when their pastor lit a purple candle on her church's Advent wreath, even though a pink candle was there. (This church has always had an Advent wreath, at least in her 40+ years of memory.) She was very annoyed (her word) that the pastor didn't know the significance of the pink candle.
So...it happens everywhere, I guess...as Mary says, perhaps so we have the opportunity for a gentle and kind explanation.
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It's about fitting it into what you already do.. when your family traditions are to have the tree and all down before New Year's (and who can blame anyone when it's been up since Thanksgiving) then it's really difficult to put in a 12 days of Christmas starting with Christmas Day.
So they may even know that it's wrong to have it before Christmas Day.. but are trying to bring that idea into their celebrations without changing around the way they already do things.
Another way to bring it up is to be enthusiastic about your own celebration of the 12 days and how you can't wait for it to start on Christmas Day. And if they're people you'd invite over.. invite them to come and celebrate with you after Christmas Day... My ILs used to do a tamale party on New Year's and I keep wanting to revive that BUT use it for Epiphany and invite people over to share in that.
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I just heard one of the musicians from Manheim Steamroller talking about the 12 days of Christmas on a radio commercial today! I was amazed to hear him explain that there were originally 12 days of celebration (Dec 25 to Jan 6--he got his dates correct) but that in early medieval times the celebration got out of hand with too much irreverance, so Christmas celebrations were banned outright. But people still wanted to celebrate Jesus' birth, so they kept it quiet, in their own homes, on one day...Dec 25th.
Don't know how accurate the WHOLE story is, but I was impressed that it was discussed at all. Conservative talk radio station, but not a religious affiliate at all.
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Just to add a bit of historical perspective...the liturgical season of Advent as well as the season of Christmas were both quite rich and full in terms of observance and recognition until the Reformation, at which time both Advent and Christmas were suppressed. Many celebrations took on a more secular feel, particularly in England. With some, like the Puritans/Pilgrims there was no recognition of Christmas at all since they felt that usurped the Sunday Sabbath. For a long time here in America (until the immigration of Catholics from Ireland, especially) celebrating Christmas at all was still illegal, particularly in the East. Folks were not given the day off, and in fact, some employers changed hours of work just to make it impossible for their employees to get to Mass.
SOOOO....all that to say that between the Reformation and the subsequent suppression of Christmas here in America, once we finally recovered Christmas, as a culture we had lost many of the rich liturgical traditions and reasons involved in living Advent and Christmas as well as a sense of actually preparing (Advent) for a great Feast we'd spend 12 days celebrating! Society in general is caught up in the torrent of a very strong current that pushes Christmas as a material feast which (apparently) is celebrated before THE feast...for 12 days. Many folks are just swept up in the strong current.
That's it for my little history of why Christmas stockings come out after Hallow'een.
If you'll let me rapidly switch analogies - this "12 days of Christmas-before-Christmas" is like being invited to a great Feast offered by the King (of Kings). Folks walk up to the banquet table, and consume the generous fare before the host even has a chance to set the table...and then leave the dining hall just when the guest of honor sits down (is born).
Just as the culture was preserved in the monasteries during the Middle Ages, our little home monasteries will have to work to preserve and take back the current culture in and through our families - one Advent, one Christmas at a time.
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Betsy Forum All-Star
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Mackfam wrote:
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Just as the culture was preserved in the monasteries during the Middle Ages, our little home monasteries will have to work to preserve and take back the current culture in and through our families - one Advent, one Christmas at a time. |
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Beautifully put! We need to be a strong, mostly silent, witness to our beautiful traditions.
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Mackfam wrote:
If you'll let me rapidly switch analogies - this "12 days of Christmas-before-Christmas" is like being invited to a great Feast offered by the King (of Kings). Folks walk up to the banquet table, and consume the generous fare before the host even has a chance to set the table...and then leave the dining hall just when the guest of honor sits down (is born).
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Beautiful analogy! I'm Going to have to remember this for future use!
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guitarnan wrote:
I think a lot of people know about the true 12 days but only in a cultural context (e.g. they might know from friends or personal experience that in some European countries, Epiphany is the big day to receive gifts, not Christmas, and they're 12 days apart).
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The first time I'd ever heard this was when I was a senior in high school singing in a statewide Baptist ensemble on a tour to Spain. We left the day after Christmas to go and sing Christmas concerts throughout Barcelona--at Protestant locations!
So, I think in many ways, as Jen implied, it is the American Puritan influences in America that contribute to the ignorance of this custom here. Most people simply have never even heard of Epiphany and have naturally assumed the 12 days would HAVE to start before Christmas. Europeans have a much heftier history with Catholicism and its liturgy influencing their secular and even Protestant traditions more.
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