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Ok, so I went off dairy a week ago because the baby was crying all the time, especially in the evenings. She would pull up her little legs and just scream. She is still crying a lot but not quite as much. Her little tummy was making terrible noises and still does sometimes. Anyway I have a couple of questions:
If you have gone off dairy to see if your baby is sensitive, did you do a test run of dairy a couple weeks after you went off of it to see if that was really it?
Also, is anyone else sensitive to goat's milk? I tried to drink goat's milk but it upset my stomach so I'm sure it upset her stomach too. I just thought that goat's milk was the way to go if avoiding dairy but I just can't tolerate it. I have even been experimenting with having it one day and then not for a couple of days and I can tell when I have had it because my stomach is upset.
I am trying to do what I can for her but I kind of want to try to see if the dairy is what is causing her tummy to be so upset because even when I am not having dairy she still gets an upset tummy a lot and just screams. She is a pretty fussy baby, super sweet though. It just breaks my heart to hear her cry like that.
Any tips or ideas?
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first of all goat milk is dairy, just for SOME people they can use goat milk but not cow milk.
if you're going off dairy be ruthless.. read EVERYTHING anything with casein is milk too.. that's cheese and butter and any product with milk in it even just a smidge. No point in only going halfway about it.
There's other products you can use for subs.. rice milk (you can make this at home) almond milk I think, soy milk etc. Not really milks at all just a cloudy liquid that can be used in place of milk.
I had one little guy that would cry and cry after nursing no matter what I was eating or not eating.. walking him helped and oh glorious help.. the baby swing. Usually we could make it through the night but daytime didn't work unless he was moving and only particular types of movement.. the swing and me walking.. not standing and swaying not twisting back and forth, not sitting and rocking.. walking.. I was getting dizzy in our little apartment from walking him  when I remembered I had been given a swing that was stored in the garage.
It gradually got better as he got older so my best guess was immature digestive system not allergies or sensativities.. but I did take things out of my diet trying to help first.
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Definitely read everything with casein as milk- it's even things you wouldn't think milk products would be in, like several kinds of hot dogs.
DS1 and I are allergic to milk, and DH is sensitive so we forgo dairy in general. We use a lot of soy products (cheese and yogurt) and some almond milk and rice milk too.
We didn't try dairy with DS1 until after he had reached 6 months to be sure it was an allergy or sensitivity instead of just the immature digestion. We also tried again at 12 months and 2 years, but it's a no-go so far.
I already cook with alternatives so for us it wasn't a big deal for DS to be allergic, but I know how hard it is to make that kind of change- my allergies came up when I was 17, and it was a really difficult transition to have to be so conscious about what I put in my mouth.
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I had to do this once. Jodie's right. Unless you are ruthless in finding everything that has any whey or casein or any little thing that's a milk by product, it doesn't work. But blessedly, I had a new baby within a couple of days. And then when I accidentally consumed dairy, I had the old one back.  I never tested. I could see the results myself so I just didn't worry about it.
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I was wondering if it could be an immature digestive system, but I wanted to try the no dairy. I have been ruthless about it and checking everything. I have tried rice milk but not soy milk yet. The thing about it is that she still cries so much when I am not having any dairy so I am wondering if that is not it. I have heard that if there is a sensitivity then the baby will be so much different pretty quickly and she still isn't. I think I will give it a few more days and then drink a big glass of milk first thing in the morning and see what happens (Oh I love milk... )
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Goats milk is lactose free which is often the cause of milk issues however goats milk is very dependent on the goats diet and breed. Have you tried Mylicon drops? The baby sounds "gasey" from the gurgling noises. Also position after nursing might be a clue is she better when held upright vs lying down? She might have some reflux .... One more thought I read you are tandom nursing do you think you are letting down harder/faster when they nurse together? She could be sucking in extra air trying to keep up. -Annie
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My oldest ds was allergic to milk, eggs and nuts from the get-go. So, it may not be just milk that is causing the problems for her. Also, the protein in goat's milk is very similar to cow's milk, so a truly allergic person cannot tolerate either. Good Luck. It's so hard to figure out what's bothering them sometimes.
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We are living on mylicon drops here!
I never thought about the let down thing....hmmmm
I hope I am able to find out what it is, if it is anything and not just something she will grow out of.
Babies can be a mystery sometimes! 
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The Nursing Mother's Companion has some great advice about food sensitivities. My children all had "colic" and I tried to find out about food allergies. Allergic children most likely react to wheat (or all gluten), corn, soy, shellfish, dairy, or nuts and peanuts. I left all of them out and had my first two children tested through a skin test (my then baby was six months old). It confirmed my observations. To find food I and later they could eat I used the help of The Food Allergy Network and Allergy Grocer. Dr. Sears in some of his books also gives advice on this, for example in: The Fussy Baby Book. The Pathways Magzine had a good article on colic in their summer issue. It mentioned the above things, but also some other ideas : chiropractic care, different nursing teas to try, and above all probiotics. I've used probiotics in my "baby" and it does make a difference. I'm also using a Bromelain supplement myself which makes her stools soft and regular. With my other children one cue for food allergies were very hard and irregular stools.
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When ds was 1 year (it was a loooong year) and still nursing, my doc finally saw that milk could be the reason for ds's occasional bloody stools and crankiness. So he said to try giving up the milk proteins, in everything, for me and him, and within 2 weeks I should see a difference in ds. And I did see a difference!
So, try waiting a few weeks and be vigilant about what you eat.
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My dd also had dairy sensitivity/allergy as an infant. Not only was she fussy and gassy but also had streaks of blood in her stools. Like others, I had to be really diligent about the casein, etc. Once I eliminated all of it, the blood went away, but unfortunately, she was still a very fussy baby her entire first year (sorry!) so possibly there were other triggers also. She outgrew the problem and can do dairy just fine now. I, on the other hand, have become extremely lactose intolerant and can't drink regular dairy at all now. But I can drink raw milk just fine!
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