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OK, we're using Lingua Mater this year. I'm thinking that maybe we should space it out and give them two years to complete it. My daughter came to me with a poem in which I was supposed to be able to find the qualities of loyalty, bravery, and compassion. Hmmm? Did I not major in Writing in college? Where was this loyalty, bravery, and compassion? I studied poetry. I studied Shakespeare! It should have been easy, I guess. But I gave up and looked at the answer key.  Today, she worked for HOURS on the next part of the lesson. She is completely whipped. She doesn't want to even *look* at these poems again. What kind of joy is there in learning this?
Besides this, my son, who is older but behind my daughter in grammar, still has trouble (after YEARS of CHC grammar) with parts of speech. How can this be? I am so frustrated. Seems that by this time (he's 12 and she just turned 11), they should be able to read the directions and handle this stuff on their own, no? I desperately need them to be able to self-propel since I have 5 others, three of whom I school and two who pretty much wreak havoc if I'm not right there with them.
Does anyone have any positive or negative experiences with Lingua Mater? Any opinions? Any ideas for parts-of-speech games? Can you please share them with me? Sometimes, I think it's more frustrating to teach what comes naturally to you than when you have to struggle through a topic learning alongside the kids.
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Oh, that's so disappointing when something doesn't work out. I hope you can work this out with her so that she can come to see the beauty of the program. I'm using Lingua Mater with my 3rd dd now and we love it. The girls have all been right around 12 1/2 when they started it, so maybe that is the difference. I can't imagine using it with an 11 year old even if she was advanced. The activities seem to require deeper thought that comes with life experiences and reflection that a 12 or 13 year old would be capable of, but that would be a struggle for a sixth grader. I just asked my dd who is currently doing LM and she said she spends between 30-45 minutes on each lesson depending on the amount of writing. Last year she used Shurley Method 6 and IEW.
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We also struggled with Lingua Mater. My dd is 11. I made a switch to Shurley English 6 at the beginning of this month and she loves it (so far  ) I agree, it requires a significant amount of reflection. My daughter just isn't there yet. However, a friend is in her second year with Lingua Mater and her daughter loves it. She was 12 when she began using it.
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Tina
I really loved the look of LM but dd doesn't  I'm hoping that when it is ds's turn he will like it.
Not everything is the right fit for the right child. Dh thinks that dd doesn't like it as it is too emotive for her. She is more a 'how you do it' girl.
With seven children one of them is bound to like it
Whoops, just noted your sig. has some news  Congratulations. 
I do know what you mean about needing the older ones to have more independent work. Struggle with that one myself. Sounds like our dc are very similar ages.
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Tina,
We have had the same issues with our children! I think grammar is a hard thing to grasp at times. I like to have them write out their own sentences and then have them find the parts of speech.
Don't worry. My 15 and 13 year old had a hollow look last week when I asked them what a predicate nominative was. (' ') We have done Easy Grammar and Voyages over the years and also latin which speaks of direct objects and predicate nominatives!
Just a side note, my 15 year old already took the SAT in 7th grade and is currently taking a John Hopkins University course via email.
In one of my son's essays for John Hopkins, my son wrote that poetry in many instances is not concrete writing. He used a sample from "The Jabberwock". He told me he had to read that poem 5 times to understand it. He is a literature lover. I told him he cannot cross the street while reading anymore!(' ')
Grammar and poetry, both, have you using analytical skills which can be tricky.
I hope this helps.
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I expect this to be a bit of a trial for my soon to be 7th grader. However, I consider it a good thing for him because he really needs to work more on his logic skills. Knowing this, I am planning on taking it slow and focusing on skill retention and development. In other words, I plan on needing to linger over (stretch out) some of the assignments for him to complete them properly. Not planning on purposely stretching it over 2 years, but I do plan to not move to the next lesson until the previous is understood and completed to satisfaction. Ds has looked at it frequently and seems eager to get started.
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