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Posted: May 09 2006 at 2:51pm | IP Logged Quote lapazfarm

I recently got a wonderful DK Illustrated Family Bible that dc and I love to browse through. But I am wanting to start a more organized bible study with ds (10), covering a two-page spread each week. My question is where to begin? I am really torn between starting "In the beginning..." or starting with the Gospels, then the rest of the New Testament, then going back to pick up the Old. And which Gospel to start with? I was thinking John, as it is so lovely to me, but I just want to do this in a logical way.
Any guidence would be greatly appreciated here.
Oh! and I have seen references to Bible notebooks mentioned, but would love to learn more about how you ladies are doing them, as well.

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Posted: May 10 2006 at 7:22pm | IP Logged Quote lapazfarm

Anybody???
There just has to be a logical method of going through the Bible, right? The best place to start?
If you were going to read through the Bible with your children (or are already doing so) how would you do it?

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Posted: May 10 2006 at 7:33pm | IP Logged Quote Dawn

lapazfarm wrote:
Anybody???
There just has to be a logical method of going through the Bible, right? The best place to start?
If you were going to read through the Bible with your children (or are already doing so) how would you do it?


Theresa, I don't have an answer for you, but I am also interested in this topic.

I also would love to hear more about Bible notebooks ... I was recently very inspired by Helen's beautiful posts on their Book of Daniel project.

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Posted: May 10 2006 at 8:08pm | IP Logged Quote Natalia

This year we tried Memoria Press Christian Studies

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We used the first volume it goes through Genesis, the Patriarchs, Exodus and Numbers up to death of Moses. It uses the Children's Golden Bible as text but I think you could make it work with any Bible.

This study is designed to be done within the context of Classical Ed. so it has a lot of memorization and copywork. We didn't use it the way they intended it. We mainly read the story and answer the questions orally. We also did some of the map work. It is a very comprehensive curriculum. You could go really in depth. The teacher's manual is really helpful, It has some background information and it also gives you references to situate the passage you are reading within the larger context of the Bible.

This is not a specifically Catholic Curriculum. The only thing I found was that one they are listing the books of the Bible for the children to memorize they don't list the books that are only in the Catholic Bible. Other than that, I didn't find anything contrary to our faith.

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I just bought a new Bible reading plan called Breakthrough, it comes with a Bible and activities to do surrounding the peopele in the Bible. This is what they suggest.

"However, we do not recomment that you start at the beginning of the Bible and try to read it sstraight through. Because the Bible is a collection of many different kinds of books. it was not meant to be read like that. A better approach is to go back and forth between books in the Old and New Testaments. That way you can see the connections between both testaments."

and their plan,

Mark, Genesis, Exodus, Joshua, Luke, Acts, Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, 1 Corinthians, 2 Samule, 1 Kings, 2 Kings, Isaiah, Matthew, Psalms, Philippians, Amos, Micah, Jeremiah, James, Galatians, Esther, Daniel, Job, 1 Peter, Ezekiel, Jonah, Esra, Nehemiah, Hebrews, Romans, Proverbs, Song of Songs, 2 Maccabees, John, 1 John, and Revelation.

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Posted: May 11 2006 at 3:04pm | IP Logged Quote Helen

Dear Theresa,
Understanding the development of the Chosen People in the Old Testament really sheds light on the New Testament. I have found it very helpful to me personally that I have an understanding of the Patriarchs, the establishment of the Kingdom of Israel, the Division of the Kingdom and the role of the prophets.

On the other hand, there is nothing like reading the Gospel directly and hearing the Lord's words for your self. (I think for a young child it may be easier to begin with Mark or Luke. They are more concrete while John's Gospel is more of a meditation/reflection.)

The Acts of the Apostles is a fantastic read as well as the Book of Revelation.

This topic is huge - really huge.
It is a life long project.

How do you want to begin this lifelong project? WHat is important to you and your family? I don't think you can go wrong any way you approach it.



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Posted: May 11 2006 at 3:38pm | IP Logged Quote MichelleW

Last year we made dividers (on card stock) for our 3-ring notebooks. Each card had the name of one book of the Bible and an illustration or room for one. Once we had all the dividers printed, hole-punched and inserted in our notebooks I felt released from having to do a linear study of the Bible. Just having the notebook organized in this way was enough for us to be able to sort and order our studies. After "Revelation" there is a section for recording our memorizations.

This is how we have used it so far:

1) In the Genesis section is a booklet we did on the creation week; Production notes for the sections we acted out (and what they learned by acting out that particular section--I highly recommend acting out sections of the OT, it makes it so much more understandable and accessible); narrations from some of the stories (found some fabulous Noah's ark stickers to go with our narrations on that story); our Genesis memory verse (Gen 50:20 "You meant to harm me, but God used it for good to accomplish what is now being done.") illustrated.

2) In Exodus we have a booklet we did on the 10 plagues; a copy of our Passover Haggadah; a copy of our Passover menu; a booklet on the 10 Commandments; our Exodus memory verses illustrated (Ex 12:10 and 13:14).

3) Dominick has some narrations in Numbers, Olivia has a narration in Esther (her favorite book) and Gabe has illustrated some Psalms. In Esther we have a menu from when we acted out the book of Esther as dinner theatre (for just our family, but it was SOO fun!)

4) In Psalms the illustrated psalm of the Good Shepherd ("The Lord is my Shepherd I shall not be in want...") which we memorized.

5) In the NT everyone has something from church. The kids often bring home coloring pictures from the Children's Liturgy of the Word and if it had particular meaning to them then they add it behind the appropriate divider. I have notes I have taken during sermons that I put in my own notebook. When we did Alice's second Lenten Tea Gabe was so "grabbed" by the "sponge in vinegar" that he ended up re-reading that section several times and writing a piece on his reflections and that is behind the divider for the Gospel of St. Mark.

6) Several illustrated memory verses from the letters of St. Paul. Two from the Gospel of St. Matthew.

My plan is to use these notebooks for years and to add to them whenever we have something to add.
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Posted: May 11 2006 at 5:53pm | IP Logged Quote lapazfarm

Wonderful! Thank-you, ladies, this is just the kind of help I was seeking!
We begin next week! I'm very excited!

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Posted: May 12 2006 at 1:23am | IP Logged Quote ALmom

Wow! I love the dividers ideas. I was planning to try and do a focus on the Bible next year with everyone as a break from Faith and Life. Hadn't gotten very far in how to implement with varying ages but wanted to be sure that we did some stuff together so I was engaged with my dc. This has some great ideas!!!

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Posted: May 12 2006 at 8:00am | IP Logged Quote Bridget

My children asked to do Bible study as part of schooling. We got the reading kids, 4 of them, their own Ignatius Bible and some large journals. We will also get each their own copy of the #2 Baltimore Catechism. We will get a concordance and commentary for all to share.

My plan is start with the Baltimore catechism and look up the related Bible texts that support the lesson. We'll use those for copy work, grammar and spelling.

We'll also study a gospel and Acts. I'm not sure how we'll do those yet. I would like a study guide.

I will use the PACE cuuriculum to study virtues and read the Bible stories that illustrate the virtue. Some of the kids will do narrations of these, some will illustrate, some will get into a craft, whatever they want.

I also hope to use it as real life situations come up in the family. What does the Church teach us about that. What does the Bible say about that?

We will do this together, I will be keeping a journal too, and it will be an on going study. We are all excited to start this. I love scripture and I think the children do too!

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Bridget, what specific concordance do you plan on getting? I've been wanting to purchase one, but don't know which one would be best.

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We've taken a relaxed approach with our ds. Before 9ish/10ish, we just read bible stories aloud from all kinds of resources. At the age your ds is at, I began giving him progressively more difficult children's bibles and having him read through them on his own...OT one year, NT the next, for about 3 years. For your ds's age, I like My First Catholic Bible. Its got a dorky title but the text is good (upper elem. for reading on one's own) and there are great memory verses each week if you want to use them. Its intended to be completed in 52 weeks. Next we moved on to the Catherine Vos Bible. This one's protestant, but I asked around on the CCM list at the time and found that others had used it without a problem so I took their word for it.

I have found that ds knows the overview of the bible very very well from this experience, without using anything as formal as Memoria Press's Christian Studies. I do like the bible that Memoria Press recommends, though. I've looked into several other Children/early Teen bibles, hoping to repeat this process one more time with ds, but I can't find one that is Catholic that doesn't have bad commentary at the beginning of each book. We settled for generic devotionals this past year.

I should say we started this process as protestants (we are converts). We do teach religion here, but I believe that for each child to have a relationship with God, they need to spend time interacting with God and with the bible without me as the mediator, so this has been a simple way to encourage that. My next step is to find a translation that is very easy to read, but is a word for word translation rather than a story bible. I am leaning towards the protestant NIrV because of its readability without editorializing evangelicalism. I haven't been able to find a Catholic version that is as readable as this one. After that, we will move to the Ignatius RSV bible that Scott Hahn recommends.



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Posted: May 12 2006 at 8:58pm | IP Logged Quote Donna Marie

We loved Life of Our Lord for Children by Marigold Hunt.
I used red index cards for the Old Testament and green index cards for the New Testament and very time we came across another event in history that showed God working through a person or group of people we wrote that event down on a card. Later we would shuffle the deck and try to put them in order.
We also used The Great Bible Adventure
We copied the timeline as Jeff Cavins covered the topic on the video...I copied the blank timeline on seperate sheets of regular copy paper and put it on a clip board for the kids to use with the appropriate colored pencils. We haven't finished, but when we are, I will laminate each sheet and hinge it together with packing tape so the kids can put it in a folder in their binder. Did I mention that I love RC history for the wonderful books they recommend? She also has appropriate copy work and more. RC History booklist

and I do plan to go back in greater detail next year. But this was a great for getting our feet wet. I learned so much this year!! Doing it this way, we had an idea of the general flow of Old Testament history and had an appreciation of who the chosen people were and why God acted in the way He did.


We are just about to read The First Christians also by Marigold Hunt. I will also do a project with that..and if you want more info ...just ask! Ooh there are a few more books...but a little sick 3yo needs his momma...

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When I asked a priest to recommend a good Bible commentary, I was told to look for the Catena Aurea which (I think) is a compilation of what the Fathers of the church said regarding scripture.

I was given as a gift The Sunday Sermons of the Great Fathers which includes some of the Catena Aurea before the sermons.

I have Tan's Bible Commentary but I am finding this more of a (good) meditation than a reference book.

I don't have the New Testament Navarre Bible Commentary but the Navarre bible books I do have, I really like.


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Posted: May 13 2006 at 12:06am | IP Logged Quote teachingmom

I think the best advice for Bible beginners that I've ever heard is to start with the gospel of Luke and then proceed directly to Acts. That gives a continuous narration of the life of Christ and the early years of Christianity. Then on to the familiar Old Testament stories in Genesis, Exodus, etc.

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Posted: May 13 2006 at 12:32am | IP Logged Quote stefoodie

We're also using The Great Bible Adventure from Jeff Cavins. Started it in 2003 (got it from Sonya Romens at RC History) but stopped halfway. We've recommitted this year and have begun again. I'm also loving the Navarre Bible Reader Edition(?). I got several volumes at NACHE 2003, heavily discounted. Working on Gospels and Acts right now, 15-yo joins me whenever she can. Love all the ideas here!

My question is: for 7-10, what is the best Bible to use? We have The Catholic Picture Bible here but they're starting to get bored with that, and I'm not sure they're quite ready for RSV-CE either. Any "tweeners"' Bible we should look at?

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Donna Marie:

I'm interested in knowing more about your links. I couldn't get to Life of Our Lord for Children or the Early Christians links. I looked at RC History booklist. This looks interesting. Is it Catholic? How easy is it to use for a novice? I am trying to do ancient history (hoping to get to the early Christians) coupled with Bible study and celebrating the liturgical year for religion. I'll have a wide range of ages: 9 yo, 12 yo and 14 yo with a 3 yo wanting in the mix.

My dh is really wanting us to do more project oriented lessons as opposed to textbooks - so I'm out looking at what is out there to help me wean from textbooks at least in history and possibly religion depending on what I find. I'm a bit frightened and overwhelmed because I know deep down that this is the way to go - I just don't quite know how to implement with dc who seem disorganized (and a mom who definitely is)and very resistant to any written work - including drawing, etc.

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RC stands for Roman Catholic. I just bought the Vol. 1 plans for ancient history to use with my first grade ds next year. It is designed so you can use it with multiple age groups. They are just coming out with Vol. 2 which uses the two Marigold Hunt books for their spine. We haven't started using the plans yet, but from everything I've looked at I am very excited. Check out their site at www.RChistory.com (I haven't figured out how to post links yet). Hope that helps a little.

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Thanks. I did finally get there and it looks very, very good. It might be a bit pricey but seems worth the investment. I printed out their whole catelogue. I was especially excited with the way it fit the time period we were planning to cover. Has anyone used it with different dc in different levels at the same time? Unfortunately my dc ages mean that of 4 dc, 3 are in different levels. I also noticed that many of the hs level books recommended dovetail very nicely with Kolbe's first 2 years. We were planning to combine and modify the 2 years and utilize some of their paper topic suggestions. This would save me tons of time as it has already basically combined those two years for me while incorporating Biblical history and more varied activities as well. It sure would help make sure the expectations for what we really could accomplish were more realistic (I tend to cram too much in and overstress us all) - plus allow for a mix of projects and papers as I am sure my highschooler would join in or lead whatever projects were recommended for her siblings.

I'm still a bit confused about the various volumes. I guess I'll go back and try and look again and ask RC History. I'm really excited to find this sight. Praying that dh is as excited considering the price for us.

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