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Could anyone help me here?
Are the feast of The Visitation of Mary and the feast of Pentecost clashing this year? If they are when do we celebrate the Visitation of Mary?
I may be right off the track here, which is certainly possible.
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C
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Yes, Pentecost falls on what would ordinarily be the feast of the Visitation. Since Pentecost is a Solemnity it supercedes the Feast of the Visitation. Though it is not "officially" transferred liturgically, you could celebrate it on different date, I would think. Interestingly last year the Feast of the Visitation conflicted with the Memorial of the Immaculate Heart (which has a floating date). Since it is a Memorial and the Visitation is a Feast - the Feast Day trumped.
I find the liturgical calendar to be quite fascinating. 
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MaryM wrote:
Since it is a Memorial and the Visitation is a Feast - the Feast Day trumped.
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So the Feast of the Visitation got to bump a memorial last year, and this year the Visitation is bumped by a Solemnity.
Only Solemnities are officially transferred to different days.
And I, too, find it fascinating. Too much so, probably!
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Mary and Jenn,
I too find the liturgical feast fascinating.
C,
This is a very common question and I am glad you asked because it would have crept up on me if not. Somehow the days are moving too fast 
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Thanks Mary. A Great answer.
I find it sometimes confusing but fasinating - Old Calendar New Calendar and everything in between.
It goes Solemnity, Feast Days, and Obligatory Memorials, Optional Memorials then other special devotions according to my Divine Mercy Calendar.
I was searching for the feast of the Visitation and thought I was going mad not being able to find it thinking it HAD to be here. I love the Visitation Mystery it is one of my favourite meditations in the Rosary and great for the children to ponder.
This is good to know for the future. We will probably celebrate it on the Saturday before according to my calendar St Joan of Arc's feast day as well but also and always the day of Our Lady.
Thanks again
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We're going to celebrate/acknowledge the Visitation as well. I too love this day and don't want to skip it. It is such a nice day to remember and learn about in anticipation of the Birth of St. John in June.
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I'm thrilled that these two feasts overlap! For quite some time I've been enthralled with the myriad ways in which the events of our Faith reveal the unfolding of Salvation History! Didn't Mary's visitation foreshadow the birth of the Savior, which in turn, foreshadowed the coming of the Holy Spirit and the birth of the Church? There are so many wondrous layers revealed to us in the celebratione of the various feasts in the Church! Mary was visited by the Holy Spirit, in her Annunciation, then she in turn visited her cousin Elizabeth, bringing to her a measure of the grace she had received...on the feast of Pentecost, the Holy Spirit visited Mary and the Apostles, then they in turn spread a measure of the grace they had received to the entire world! Through the action of the Holy Spirit and the Church, the grace goes on and on, until we finally experience the Parousia!
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When is the Visitation celebrated on the old calendar?
My Mary Beth is named for the visitation, so it's her feast day. I'd like to celebrate it all by itself and we're going to be out of town this weekend, anyway, so I'm looking for a new date this year:-)
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It's July 2 on the Traditional Calendar, E.
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It will be a good way to celebrate in anticipation for the feast of the birth of St John the Baptist in June…yes, good point, Waverley. A great way of entering into the life of St Elizabeth, who is really a sometimes forgotten role model for mother’s and wives.
(I used to imagine these three holy women St Anne, Our Lady and St Elizabeth all standing over my sick son watching over him when I couldn't be there. It gave me a great peace. I like to clebrate her feast day in thanksgiving for all her care).
I like your perspective Servant, thank you.
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Pope Benedict tied in both feasts in his homilies. I'm sharing both his Saturday and Sunday talks.
LEARN FROM MARY TO RECOGNISE THE PRESENCE OF THE SPIRIT
VATICAN CITY, 30 MAY 2009 (VIS) - At 8 p.m. today, the traditional procession marking the end of the month of May wound its way through the Vatican Gardens, from the Church of St. Stephen of the Abyssinians to the Grotto of Lourdes.
Benedict XVI arrived at the Grotto at 9 p.m. where, before imparting his apostolic blessing, he made some brief remarks to the faithful present.
"The great Feast of Pentecost", he said, "is an invitation for us to meditate upon the bond between the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, a close, privileged and indissoluble relationship. The Virgin of Nazareth was chosen to become the Mother of the Redeemer by the action of the Holy Spirit: in her humility she found favour in the eyes of God".
The Annunciation, the Virgin's visit to her cousin Elisabeth, the birth of Jesus and His early infancy were all "guided, almost palpably, by the Holy Spirit, although He is not always mentioned. Mary's heart, in perfect harmony with her divine Son, is a temple of the Spirit of truth, where each word and each event is treasured in faith, hope and charity".
"Mary's faith", the Holy Father went on, "supported that of the disciples until their meeting with the risen Lord, and it continued to accompany them even after His ascension to heaven, as they awaited 'Baptism in the Holy Spirit'. At Pentecost, the Virgin Mother once again appears as the Bride of the Spirit", an expression of "universal maternity towards all people who have been generated by God through faith in Christ. This is why, for all generations, Mary is the image and model of the Church which, accompanied by the Spirit, advances through time invoking the glorious return of Christ: 'Come, Lord Jesus'".
The Holy Father concluded his comments by telling the faithful "let us, in Mary's school, learn to recognise the presence of the Holy Spirit in our lives, to listen to His inspiration and humbly to follow it".
VISITATION OF MARY, AN IMAGE OF THE MERCIFUL CHURCH
VATICAN CITY, 31 MAY 2009 (VIS) - Following the celebration of the Eucharist in the Vatican Basilica for the Solemnity of Pentecost, at midday today the Holy Father appeared at the widow of his study to pray the Regina Coeli with faithful gathered in St. Peter's Square.
"Today, Solemnity of Pentecost, the Church throughout the world is reliving the mystery of her birth, of her 'Baptism' in the Holy Spirit", said the Holy Father. "The Holy Spirit is the soul of the Church, without Him what would she be reduced to? She would certainly be a great historical movement, a complex and stable social institution, perhaps a kind of humanitarian agency. And, to say truth, that is how she is seen by those who consider her without the eye of faith. In reality though, in her true nature and in her most authentic historical presence, the Church is constantly moulded and guided by the Spirit of her Lord. She is a living body, the vitality of which is the fruit of the invisible divine Spirit".
The Pope also remarked how this year Pentecost falls on the last day of May, which traditionally marks the Feast of the Visitation when Mary, pregnant with Jesus, went to visit her elderly cousin Elisabeth, also pregnant. "The young Mary who, carrying Jesus in her womb, forgets her own needs and runs to help another is a beautiful image of the Church in the perennial youthfulness of her Spirit, of the missionary Church of the incarnate Word, called to carry that Word into the world and to bear witness to it, especially through the service of charity", said the Holy Father.
He concluded: "Let us, then, invoke the intercession the Most Holy Virgin that she may obtain for the Church in our time powerful reinforcement from the Holy Spirit. May the comforting presence of the Paraclete be particularly felt by ecclesial communities suffering persecution for the name of Christ so that, by participating in His suffering, they may receive the Spirit of glory in abundance".
After praying the Regina Coeli, the Pope mentioned young people from the Italian region of Abruzzi, who are currently hosting the World Youth Day Cross. "In communion with the youth of that land, so deeply affected by the recent earthquake", he said, "let us ask Christ, Who died and rose again, to effuse His Spirit of consolation and hope upon them".
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Thank you!
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Thank you Jen.... WOW!!
Who could have said it better - he presented them hand in hand, flowing together, (as most things go in our faith).
What an awesome shepard....I LOVE the Pope.
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My Elspeth Marie celebrates Nov. 5 for her patron, St. Elizabeth--perhaps another alternative to feast of the visitation--although a long way off!
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