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My kids are aware of Christians fasting, praying novenas, and other intentions for the sake of McCain winning the election. What do you tell them now?
I have been telling my kids that God will "bring good out of bad," and that this must be His will. He heard everybody's prayers and intentions, but He has a greater plan for our country. We must *continue* to pray for our country and for our next president, especially as he takes over leading our country.
I try not to let my sadness over the results of the election show, and we have to find a positive way to look at it  because Obama will be our next president ... we must keep our patriotic spirit and our "in God we trust" attitude!
Any comments you would share on explaining the spiritual aspect of this election to our children would be appreciated.
In God we trust,
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I'm sorry I won't be much help in this. I am feeling defeated, and sad. As I had to tell my children this morning, who won the election, I didn't know what to say. I just told them that God is still in control here. And we just have to keep praying and doing our part, especially for the unborn.
I'm looking forward to seeing other responses, so I can reassure my children (and myself) as to where this country is headed.
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Genesis 18 Not enough there either.
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 I was trying to be spiritual...I think I was depressing.
Sorry
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God untwisted the greatest evil - the Crucifixion of God - and from it drew the greatest good - our Redemption.
That God would allow this direction for our country is an indication of His great respect of our free will. So many asked for this, and He allowed it.
Like many of you this morning, I am struggling to find the words. Prayerfully reflecting on the meaning of all that has taken place I am reminded that in all things we are to be joyful. We are a joyful people. And, I remember the words of St. Theresa of Avila (they are a great comfort to me) "Let nothing disturb you, nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. Whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices."
So, I told the children that we will continue to lift our voices for those who cannot speak, for those who have no voice. We will be patient and persistent and joyful. And we will fight.
For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.
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My husband brought something to mind. In America we cannot simply outlaw abortion. Americans must KNOW abortion is murder. Maybe overturning Roe v Wade would be too easy. Maybe we must fight harder and longer for the truth to be known.
I haven't broke the news yet...
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I too will be looking for responses here! I for one have been talking to my kids - we as a family need to ask God what concrete things we can do to become involved in the pro-life fight. Also, there is God's perfect will and also his permissive will. We have been studying world history here and can't help compare America to the Roman empire. The Roman empire too had all sorts of evils that God permitted. At the same time the Roman empire fell. We need to raise our children to become adults that will take over the fight! We need to tell our kids that it is not a given fact that America will always be around. We need to tell them that when they are grown they need to fight for the America that should be or America will also fall. People don't like to here that today - that America will fall but if America goes on her current immoral ways fall she will. Pray (the divine chaplet is one I do for America!! Any thoughts on this- I am remembering Our Lady's message at fatima - that God is offended by many evils and people should pray and sacrifice for these sins. I need to bring this up to my kids - what sacrifices can we offer our Lord for the great sins of this country.
Sorry for the rambling post. It is nice to know that I am not the only one sad today! One last thing - I struggle today forgiving Catholics out there who voted for Obama. This is a hard one for me to work through!
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My 11 yr old dd has been following the election fairly closely the last couple weeks since she has been working on an election lapbook. She had gotten very concerned about the outcome, and last night was in tears. I'm wondering if I said too much to her about abortion and then in response to her questions about FOCA. I try to keep things appropriate for her age. But she certainly felt it. I'm looking for ways for her to feel hopeful, which isn't real easy right now because I'm not feeling too hopeful.
She is becoming quite the prayer warrior though through all of this.
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I feel the same way. We prayed. We talked more than ever about the candidates. I have been telling my kids for weeks (and they know from praying for sick people that don't heal but die) that God does not always answer prayer the way we want and that everyone has free will (i.e. to vote as they want). It's not much comfort and I have been praying for myself not to despair.
The other day I opened my missal and just read. I was somewhat comforted by John 18:36-37.
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| Jesus answered, "My kingdom does not belong to this world. If my kingdom did belong to this world, my attendants (would) be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not here." So Pilate said to him, "Then you are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say I am a king. For this I was born and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to my voice." |
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Nonetheless, It's tough.
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I cried last night. I was so sad, especially for the unborn babies. I could not get them off my mind. I don't even know what to say now. The only thing that has given me a bit of hope is that marriage was defined being as being between a man and a woman in California, Arizona, and Florida.
I've just been telling my children, "God's will be done".
Does anyone know what Obama's stance on homeschooling is? This has me worried and I'd like to know.
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Our son's godfather is a university history prof and penned this letter to the college republicans. It would be a great lesson for your students in history today and offer some great family discussion regardless of your party affiliation. It is solely written from a historical perspective (though he is a strong Catholic).
God's ways are not our ways and I see much good from the Catholics and Bishops who really stepped up in this election! OUr daily mass was packed yesterday--very beautiful. God has worked on hearts as he always does.
Here is the letter:
Hello Happy College Republicans,
Yes, I know… our Republican Presidential candidate did not win. Yes, I know … the Democrats (National, State and some even on this campus) will be very difficult to live with this week. You will notice a touch of smugness, combined with a hint of superiority. But, I suppose they are entitled to it since they would likely say much the same thing about how the Republicans acted back in 2004.
It is perfectly understandable to feel a little depressed after an election that took such a long time to unfold, and which many of you have devoted a good deal of energy to support. But keep in mind that a single election is rarely definitive in American history. There will be off-year elections in 2010 and another presidential election in 2012, and another after that and so on. I can personally remember nine presidential elections – two of which meant nothing to me (I was too young), four left me excited, and three left me depressed. In each case, the nation went through many changes, but the heart of the country remained mostly unchanged – regardless of the particular administration. And that is because in a democracy, the real agent of social and cultural change does not come from the White House but from each of us. And despite the arguments to the contrary, there is still a certain “exceptionalism” within the American people, which should give us confidence that Democracy and Freedom and Natural Law will ultimately prevail.
In fact, history can provide us with a great deal of consolation on that score. Looking to previous elections for trends we must first realize that John McCain had very little probability of winning this election from the start. It has only happened rarely that a single party has held the office for three successive and complete terms through two different presidents. George H. W. Bush following Ronald Reagan (1980-1992) is the most recent example, but prior to that it had not happened since Rutherford B. Hayes followed Ulysses S. Grant after the Civil War (1868-1880), and prior to that it was Martin Van Buren following Andrew Jackson (1828-1840). There were instances, where a single party ruled for more than three terms, through successive presidents, but in every case the example was preceded by a presidential death (Theodore Roosevelt succeeded McKinley who was assassinated, Coolidge & Hoover succeeded Harding who died in office, and Truman succeeded Franklin Roosevelt who died in office). You could argue that the presidential deaths had an impact on the public’s willingness to support the successor (and Franklin Roosevelt is an altogether unusual case).
The point is that despite the very recent example of the elder Bush following Reagan, McCain knew it was highly unlikely that he would be able to convince the public to support a Republican for a third term in office. Consequently, he came up with a totally new strategy – one that had never been tried in American history. He ran on a “maverick” platform that essentially rejected the administration of the sitting President, George W. Bush. McCain’s idea was to overcome the natural obstacles against him by presenting himself as entirely new and unconnected with the sitting administration – in effect, billing himself as a “new party” even though his party shared the same name as that of President Bush. McCain planned to take advantage of the discontent that almost always follows two terms under the same party, and still win the election.
It was an experiment that had very little traction for the first half of his campaign. Realizing this, McCain modified the experiment by selecting Sarah Palin as the first woman Vice President candidate in the Republican party. She had strong ties to the core conservative base of President Bush, and yet also proved herself a “Maverick” by winning her election as Governor of Alaska against a sitting Republican. Also, as a women, she added another element of “newness” which further helped McCain’s “new party” strategy. For a time, this choice proved to be a very successful tactic. McCain’s experience as a maverick, combined with Barack Obama’s unfortunate choice of Joe Biden as vice-president clearly shifted the momentum to McCain.
Unfortunately, the collapse of Lehman Brothers followed by the bailout of Sallie Mae and Freddie Mac (and the subsequent nose dive of the stock market), all brought back the latent discontent that traditional plague incumbent presidencies in their second term. Despite the fact that the banking crisis was largely a side-effect of Democratic policies, of promising home ownership regardless of the ability to pay, the incumbent administration (Bush and the Republicans) received the bulk of the blame. Obama then reemerged as a symbol of change, and despite his obvious lack of experience, he again tapped into the historic inertia that plagues third term elections. When combined with the chance to elect the first black president, McCain had almost no chance for recovery.
In some ways, McCain’s experiment of the “maverick candidacy” was unfortunate. His platform gave legitimacy to Obama’s default campaign strategy which painted the sitting president as ineffective. I think that was terribly unfair to President Bush, and it may have lasting implications on federal policy for the next few years.
On the other hand, McCain’s experiment failed and it is unlikely to be pursued again soon. The Republican Party maintains a strong core of conservative constituents and McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin effectively re-activated many conservatives who had all but given up on McCain. This failed election will likely help to keep that activity alive.
History provides a great deal of consolation on this point also. Presidents who win election on the platform of “change” rarely enjoy long term support. Two years after President Bill Clinton was elected on the promise of changing “twelve years of Reagan-Bush”, the Democrats lost both Houses of Congress for the first time in 40 years. Clinton never regained Democratic control while he was in office. Prior to that, President Jimmy Carter won election in 1976 almost entirely in reaction to Nixon’s Watergate resignation which played favorably to Carter’s reputation as an inexperienced outsider to Washington politics. Despite the honeymoon victory, Carter’s term was marked with constant criticism from both Republicans and Democrats within his party, and his administration was followed by landslide Republican victories for three elections in a row (launching the nearly unprecedented Reagan – Bush era).
In 1965, after President Lyndon B. Johnson defeated Republican Barry Goldwater by a near landslide margin, a series of books came out which argued that the public had clearly rejected conservatism was and had given Johnson a strong mandate to push his Roosevelt era liberalism in the “Great Society.” While it is true that the impact of those Great Society programs can still be felt in American politics, it is equally true that Johnson’s administration was also plagued with criticism from outside and within his party. By 1968, he was almost certain to lose his party’s primaries and rather than fail, he simply withdrew his bid for re-election. What started off with such great fervor of a public mandate in 1964 actually transformed into widespread public antipathy when those programs were actually presented to the public. Within four years, the great mandate for liberalism had been replaced by a new mandate for “Law and Order” carried by the Nixon administration (which lasted through two elections). Though the seeds of conservatism did not receive their full mandate until the Reagan – Bush era in 1980, they were definitely sown during Johnson’s term.
You will almost certainly hear similar arguments made by pundits who will try to paint this election as a mandate for Obama’s socialism. But, if history can provide us with any sort of reliable guide to understanding the patterns and preferences of the American public, I would say that we can start being very optimistic about 2010 and 2012.
Your “officially neutral” College Republicans advisor,
Dr. Zorea
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My dh and I have focused our family prayer on a pro-life outcome from this election. We tell our children that we are not future tellers and we do not know that this isn't happening. We are in the middle of God's great story of salvation. Often when we're in the middle, we simply can't see the end. We must walk in faith.
Another angle for us, comes from being a family of baseball fans. We understand, and have lived, the mystery of victory. We also understand and value the concepts of fair competition, being a good sport, and being bettered by our losses. We congratulate Sen. Obama on his victory. We now pray mightily for President Obama as he takes rightful authority given to him by us, the people of the United States. We pray for his safety and that he will be a conduit of God's grace. We also pray with enormous gratitude for Sen. McCain and his fighting of the good fight and pray that he will be blessed. For us it comes down to the questions, "How do we handle victory? How do we handle defeat?" We pray that both lead us closer to God and His will for us. We hold our heads high, with confidence and joy in God and a humble admittance that there is always more work to do, more prayers to say, more love to share, and more suffering to be offered up for a prolife outcome.
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I also wonder as Susan- does anyone know Obama's homeschooling stance? My DH seems to have heard that it is negative. I won't say what he heard because I don't know the truth behind it all. I know one thing - homeschooling is our one hope for the future of this country since many homeschoolers are conservative and pro choise as well as Catholic and Evangelical Christian believers.
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We've simply reiterated a message we've taught our kids from birth: God knows best, God brings good out of ANYTHING, even death. We have to hold on to that, and continue to pray and work. Ora et labora.
I was depressed last night when I went to bed and was crying out to God, how could You let this happen? But after more prayer I was at peace, knowing that *HE* is still in charge, and that even when we don't understand what's going on, *HE* knows what it's all about.
Moving forward with our family means this:
* focusing on what we know is right and good and true and holy and beautiful.
* keep on doing what we're doing -- homeschooling, praying, helping others, working on our relationships within the family and outside the family.
* keep on asking God's and Mama Mary's help so that we can continue to be light for others even in times of darkness.
* pray for the conversion of sinners, pray for the conversation of anti-life people (politicians and otherwise).
* pray for wisdom and understanding for our leaders.
On top of this, we are trying to send the message to our kids that it doesn't matter whether we were for one candidate or another. Our President needs/will need our support and prayers, he is going to be president of our COUNTRY, and he will answer to God, just like every single one of us.
God is still God and He's got *the* plan.
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Considering Obama is in favor of universal mandatory Pre-school and Kindergarten, I can't imagine he is in favor of homeschooling. I spoke with Tim Lambert is the head of our Texas Home School Coalition a few weeks ago and he said he has been getting a lot of questions regarding what does an Obama presidency mean for homeschooling. His point was that homeschooling rights are up to the individual states and not regulated by the federal government. His administration might try to grasp at some power regarding hsing but I think they have bigger issues on their plate and hopefully those will keep them busy for the next four years.
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Angie Mc wrote:
My dh and I have focused our family prayer on a pro-life outcome from this election. We tell our children that we are not future tellers and we do not know that this isn't happening. We are in the middle of God's great story of salvation. Often when we're in the middle, we simply can't see the end. We must walk in faith.
Another angle for us, comes from being a family of baseball fans. We understand, and have lived, the mystery of victory. We also understand and value the concepts of fair competition, being a good sport, and being bettered by our losses. We congratulate Sen. Obama on his victory. We now pray mightily for President Obama as he takes rightful authority given to him by us, the people of the United States. We pray for his safety and that he will be a conduit of God's grace. We also pray with enormous gratitude for Sen. McCain and his fighting of the good fight and pray that he will be blessed. For us it comes down to the questions, "How do we handle victory? How do we handle defeat?" We pray that both lead us closer to God and His will for us. We hold our heads high, with confidence and joy in God and a humble admittance that there is always more work to do, more prayers to say, more love to share, and more suffering to be offered up for a prolife outcome.
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Wow Angie - real words of wisdom. Thank you. May I quote you?
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I'm sad, too. My 5 yo son cried so hard when he heard the news this morning, which echoed my feelings. I won't go partisan on you, but I do think that now our country will get what they asked for, and that "change" might not be as gleeful and rosy as they think.
I am now telling my son we have to pray for a change of heart for our president-elect, to keep on praying for life. This loss is a reminder to "pray without ceasing." Praying for our wants is not a gum ball machine, to put in our prayers and get what we want.
After Mass I went to the local cemetery with my sons, and my sister with her two youngest. We met our friend with her two younger girls who had lost her 13 yo son this February. We were able to pray for the Poor Souls and her son together. It was talking with her that even though we discussed some politics, seeing the sorrows she's carrying and how her family is so united in their grief was a reminder that my focus should be on my family.
But things are not so bleak. This was a tougher election than thought, as the state of the economy and an unpopular war would of course make people want change. The popular vote does show that it's not a landslide or huge majority. Not too many seats were gained in the Senate or House, and it's not filibuster proof. Both facts are to the pro-life advantage.
And although we prayed, I feel with myself perhaps I didn't do enough spiritually and actively these past 8 years...I have grown complacent. Adversity may help us in our fight for life and protection of the sanctity of marriage.
Like Jen's Gospel quote, we should be comforted that our hope isn't in politics or the economy. We have the Way, the Truth, and the Life to follow. We are building our house on rock, not sand. This election is a good reminder that these kind of battles are not going to be solved in a political fashion, but through prayer and fasting.
I also think that this election we were beginning to see a stronger voice from the bishops. So many Catholics think there they can pick and choose and not form their consciences according to the Catholic Church. Our shepherds haven't guided the faithful well. So perhaps we shall see an even stronger, more constant, and united front from our American bishops.
I admit I will not watch or listen to the news for a while, because it causes agitation. I refrained from watching for the 8 years of the previous president to avoid the near occasion of sin, too.  I have my own house and spiritual lives to tend to, and truly, at least at this point, this shouldn't affect my daily life. And I should keep it that way. Keep my eyes on my own work and on the heavenly goal!
I am sad, but I need to remind myself to have confidence, Trust, and Be Not Afraid!!
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Matilda wrote:
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I was going to reply in a similar fashion. We still have state rights (thank God) in our favor for homeschooling.
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I think it's important to remember that our president doesn't lead alone, he doesn't make all the shots. He is NOT a dictator. He answers to US.
A LOT of americans, nearly half to over half pending the state you are in, are going to be watching like hawks. If this elections has proven anyting, it's proven people are no longer willing to be complacent and just yap about issues - they are willing to get up and DO something.
Obama may have won the election and I can accept that disappointment knowing that he will still not have an easy time getting many of his ideas made law. And getting in office, doesn't mean he'll get to STAY in office or get his way while in office. Some are already presuming he'll get a 2nd term and I don't think that is at ALL a forgone conclusion.
And maybe between those arguing against him and those arguing with him, there will come peaceful, reasonable, sustainable, acceptable social and politicial and economical solutions that we can tolorate and maybe even find good in? That is my hope.
Oh and Helen? Personally, I was torn between laughter and agreement over your comment. There's just NEVER enough good men it seems is there? 
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I missed being spiritual but I offered some levity! Well, that's good news.
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