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I am finding conflicting information about this practice.
I know that for the "octave" of All souls there is the possibility for a plenary indulgence to be gained for each day one visits a cemetary. Is this indulgence applicable ONLY to a soul in purgatory? Does one need to say the OF, HM and GB each day that a cemetary is visited? Does one need to go to Communion every day? Does one Confession on Saturday apply to all the days?
And one more question when your toddler wants to run around and treat the gravestones as stepping stones (flat ones) or climbing apparatus (upright ones) -- what would you do? Would you let her sit on them but not stand? (which is what I have been trying) Is that still disrespectful? My husband doesn't think she should touch the stones at all. But I understand how they could seem so irresistable for doing SOMETHING on!
__________________ Mary Theresa
mother to 3 little girls --March '06, Dec '07 and Jan '10
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Posted: Nov 03 2008 at 10:16am | IP Logged
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mary theresa wrote:
I am finding conflicting information about this practice.
I know that for the "octave" of All souls there is the possibility for a plenary indulgence to be gained for each day one visits a cemetary. Is this indulgence applicable ONLY to a soul in purgatory? |
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Yes, it is only applicable to the Poor Souls.
mary theresa wrote:
Does one need to say the OF, HM and GB each day that a cemetary is visited? |
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There are no specific prayers that need to be said, except prayers for the Holy Father for the Indulgence. The prayers can be mental. Follow the Enchiridion of Indulgences which gives the description:
13. Visit to a Cemetery (Coemeterii visitatio)
An indulgence, applicable only to the Souls in Purgatory, is granted to the faithful, who devoutly visit a cemetery and pray, even if only mentally, for the departed.
The indulgence is plenary each day from the 1st to the 8th of November; on other days of the year it is partial.
The confusion might come from the description of (emphasis mine):
The work prescribed for acquiring a plenary indulgence connected with a church or oratory consists in a devout visit and the recitation during the visit of one Our Father and the Creed.
Also the prayers for the Holy Father, usually people do one Our Father, Hail Mary, and Glory Be.
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Does one need to go to Communion every day? Does one Confession on Saturday apply to all the days? |
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1 Confession covers, but the Communion and prayers for the Holy Father need to be each day.
I wrote this Praying for the Dead and Gaining Indulgences During November a while back because I experienced the same questions for myself every year. But to write it out here,
The Norms for Indulgences describe to receive a plenary indulgence, after doing the prescribed act (i.e., visit to the cemetery, prayers there), has these conditions (emphasis mine):
To be capable of gaining an indulgence for oneself, it is required that one be
--baptized,
--not excommunicated,
--in the state of grace at least at the completion of the prescribed works, and
--a subject of the one granting the indulgence.
In order that one who is capable may actually gain indulgences,
--one must have at least a general intention to gain them
--and must in accordance with the tenor of the grant perform the enjoined works at the time and in the manner prescribed.
To acquire a plenary indulgence it is necessary to perform the work to which the indulgence is attached and to fulfill the following three conditions:
1) sacramental confession,
2) Eucharistic Communion, and
3) prayer for the intention of the Sovereign Pontiff.
It is further required that all attachment to sin, even venial sin, be absent.
If the latter disposition is in any way less than perfect or if the prescribed three conditions are not fulfilled, the indulgence will be partial only, saving the provisions given below in Norm 34 and in Norm 35 concerning those who are "impeded."
The three conditions may be fulfilled several days before or after the performance of the prescribed work; it is, however, fitting that Communion be received and the prayer for the intention of the Sovereign Pontiff be said on the same day the work is performed.
A single sacramental confession suffices for gaining several plenary indulgences; but Communion must be received and prayer for the intention of the Sovereign Pontiff must be recited for the gaining of each plenary indulgence.
mary theresa wrote:
And one more question when your toddler wants to run around and treat the gravestones as stepping stones (flat ones) or climbing apparatus (upright ones) -- what would you do? Would you let her sit on them but not stand? (which is what I have been trying) Is that still disrespectful? My husband doesn't think she should touch the stones at all. But I understand how they could seem so irresistable for doing SOMETHING on! |
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We teach reverence, but we do allow the children to touch, sit, be "friendly" with the grave markers. I'm just amazed at even small ages the understanding and sweetness when walking through and looking at all the graves. I think some of our uptightnes with cemeteries comes from our American fear of death, but taking some tips from other cultures, feasting and partying even in cemeteries, just "being" with their beloved dead, visiting often, being familiar with the area (after all, Day of the Dead they dance in the graveyards) I have learned to relax a bit.
Sorry so long...hope that helps a bit.
__________________ Jennifer G. Miller
Wife to & ds1 '03 & ds2 '07
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Oh, and Directory on Popular Piety and the Liturgy has a beautiful section on Suffrage for the Dead.
__________________ Jennifer G. Miller
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Posted: Nov 04 2008 at 2:30pm | IP Logged
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Thank you Jenn! You are awesome.
__________________ Mary Theresa
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