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I am trying to get this presentation from Moira's album together as I want it to be the first one we do this year. My problem is this:
My Good Shepherd statue is too big to go with my sheep and wolf figures. So, I need to use a clothespin figure.
In your opinion, should I use the same figure we used for Jesus in our Easter presentations last year (which dd recognizes instantly as Jesus)? Or should I make a more generic "Shepherd" figure and use that?
I am wondering because if I use the Jesus figure, it pretty much spells it out to dd that the Good Shepherd is Jesus. If I make a generic shepherd figure it will leave it more up to her to make the connection.
Which would be more in keeping with the spirit of the presentation?
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Definitely you want to leave it up to her to make the connection. I would go with a new "shepherd" figure.
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Thanks, Andrea! That is kinda what I thought.
Now I get to make another clothespin doll!Yippee! 
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Theresa, great question!! I'm inclined to go with a more generic Jesus/shepherd so she has to *discover* the connection herself. We had SO much fun with the Good Shepherd presentation, it was also our first other than the beautiful Mass Kit presentations.
Check out Suzannes' post on their Good Sheperd presentation it's lovely!
Blessings!
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I was always taught and heard that it was not the Good Shepherd that the child needed to connect to Jesus -- in fact, that should not be left up to interpretation, but be obviously and clearly Jesus. It is the understanding of who the SHEEP are that is the key thing to leave to them to find out.
I may be wrong. I haven't officially been trained, just audited some of the training classes. I have also worked in a Atrium for 4 years. There the Good Shepherd is clearly Jesus.
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Actually now that I think about it Mary Theresa is right- I was thinking of the connection with the sheep. The laminator fumes must be getting to me 
According to the Good Shepherd and the Child: A Joyful Journey the parable is told to the children in such a way that it is pretty clear that Jesus is the Good Shepherd:
"Once when Jesus wanted to tell them who he was, he began by saying, 'I am the good Shepherd.'"
So just ignore my previous advice and use whatever figure you want!
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We don't make it through many threads anymore without referencing our laminators!!! I feel sorry for people who search "laminator" in the archives and come up with a zillion threads!!!
This is not worth much, b/c I don't really know.....but I thought the connection was to be made about the sheep.
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Ok, I've gone back over the presentation in Moira's album.
The identity of the Good Shepherd is left until the reading of the bible verses at the end.Then it becomes very clear.
What Mary Theresa says makes sense, about it being the identity of the sheep that the child is to be left pondering.
Thanks for helping me think this through, ladies.
I still have not decided about making another figure or not.
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Yes, I did learn from my training that it is for the child to discover and make the connection that Jesus is the Good Shepherd. I remember my trainers telling stories about many younger children insist in the beginning that the sheep are "Jesus' sheep." As they spend more and more time with the parable and the material, they think about all the love and care that Jesus, the good shepherd, provides the sheep. Then, when the moment "hits" them that the sheep are actually people, and that they are the sheep, their hearts are filled with joy and it is something that will stay with them forever.
I recently purchased Moira's 3-6 album and briefly skimmed through the Good Shepherd presentation. It is done very nicely. From what I learned, this presentation is done slightly differently, and also split into a few stages (the last stage being Eucharistic Presence - perhaps that is in the 6-9 album?) If anyone is interested, I can describe it in a little more detail in another post.
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Please! Describe away!
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OK, I won't try to describe the presentation as detailed as an album page (I haven't even done my own album page yet  ), but I will list out what I remember in point form.
Parable of the Good Shepherd
- The point of Christian message for this presentation is that the good shepherd calls his sheep by name and he knows them and loves them.
- Gather the children without the material displayed and start off with something like "We've heard so much about Jesus and the Kingdom of God. Once someone asked Jesus "Jesus who are you?" And he said "I am the Good Shepherd."
- Talk to the children about what a shepherd is, what a sheepfold is, how the sheep and safe and protected in the sheepfold.
- Read excerpts from scripture (John 10):
"The Good shepherd calls His sheep by name and leads them out. When He has driven out all His own, He walks ahead of them, and the sheep follow Him because they know His voice. They will not follow a stranger; they will run away from Him, because they do not know His voice. I am the good shepherd. A good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. These also I must lead, and they will hear my voice, and there will be one flock, one shepherd."
- Reflect with children how the good shepherd calls the sheep by name, how he knows all of them, how they won't follow a stranger, etc.
- Bring out the material, and read scripture again, moving the shepherd and sheep out of sheepfold, around sheepfold, and back into the sheepfold in a similar fashion as described in Moira's album page (The shepherd always lead the sheep, and the sheep always follow Him.)
- Reflect again, how the good shepherd does so much and cares so much for the sheep, similar to those questions listed in Moira's album page.
- Basically, the difference here is the absence of a dangerous place, the wolf, the green pasture and blue water. Also, the lost sheep is done later in another presentation.
Parable of the Found Sheep
- This presentation is done after children have worked with the Good Shepherd material for a while and are familiar with it.
- Gather children and remember together about the good shepherd parable e.g. how does he calls his sheep?
- Tell the children that today you will show them something more about what Jesus told us about how the shepherd knows and loves his sheep.
- Read the same scripture and move the sheep around the sheepfold, but towards the end, leave one sheep outside the sheepfold and close the gate. Reassure that the children that this is OK.
- Children will probably ask "why?" "Well, let's listen to Jesus' words. He tells us what happens when a sheep is lost."
- Read from scripture (Luke 15):
"What man among you having a hundred sheep and losing one of them would not leave the ninety-nine in the desert and go after the lost one until he finds it?" Open gate, and move shepherd out around the sheepfold towards the sheep; turn the sheep towards shepherd; and move shepherd closer to the sheep.
"And when he does find it, he sets it on his shoulders with great joy" Use one hand and hold the shepherd and sheep together and move them back into the sheepfold.
"and upon his arrival home, he calls together his friends and neighbors and says to them, 'Rejoice with me because I have found my lost sheep.'"
- Reflect with children how the good shepherd searches for the sheep; Even if only 1 out of 100 is lost, he goes looking; Does he stop? no, he goes looking until he finds it; How does he feel when he finds the sheep? He rejoices! What does he do when he finds it? He puts it on his shoulder. The sheep that was lost is now with him.
Sorry, if that was too long. I think I won't go into the Eucharistic Presence presentation. Is it in the 6-9 album? If not, maybe I will type it up in another post.
And please, if there is another trained catechist here, please don't hesitate to comment/correct because I know I may have missed something important or done something incorrectly!
Blessings,
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I am Lorraine, I think you are doing great 
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Fantastic! Thanks!
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I love this! Such a sweet and amazing lesson!
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Just my two cents (and short on time so haven't read what might be very much clearer information above):
I would make a separate figure, but it could look like the other Jesus figure, but also an obvious shepherd (think of all our Good Shepherd artwork with a man obviously Jesus, but obviously a shepherd as well).
It is interesting how many times I have read, "Jesus said, 'I am the Good Shepherd...'" and the children don't quite pick up on it until much later.
Our Good Shepherd is 2D with no facial features at all - the children make the connection when they make it, but I do think it's important to have a shepherd for the sheep, whether it looks like Jesus from another presentation or not.
Hope that helps - I've been missing these forums so much the last few weeks - and even now I have only a few minutes to read through everything!
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Wonderful Lorraine, thank you so much for posting this here!!
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Sorry, coming to this late. Lorraine, your summaries are great, I have only footnotes to add to them!
I am not familiar with Moira's album, only CGS.
The Good Shepherd figure should be 2-dimensional, because it's a parable, not history.
As Lorraine pointed out, there's no mystery attached to the identity of the Good Shepherd. In my presentation notes "Good Shepherd" and "Jesus" are used interchangeably.
Here's my (unfinished) GS material NOT in an atrium, so ignore the stuff around it (pay no attention to that man behind the curtain). (From Woodcrafters of Nashville.)
There are 4 Good Shepherd presentations, usually given in the first two years of Level 1: the GS intro; Psalm 23:1; the Found Sheep; and Psalm 23:1-3. Then there are 2 "moments" to the Eucharistic presence presentations. These are two of the most powerful presentations, I think, in CGS. The first moment, which can occur before the children realize they're sheep, involves a black and white 2-D Good Shepherd on an altar with a miniature paten and chalice, surrounded by the sheep. After the child has had a LONG time (like, a year) to enjoy the sheep around the altar, and also realizes that he is a sheep, THEN introduce the second moment: replacing the sheep with 2-D figures of people, including a priest, and removing the GS figure, leaving only the paten and chalice.
For Level 1 DO NOT mention the wolf or the hireling. Use John 10:3-5, 10 1/2, 11, 14-16. (The wolf and the hireling presentation is in Level 2. I just saw this presentation in June, and it was startling! But the 6-9 children are at an age where they are becoming aware of evil in the world, and this presentation is perfect for that.)
Belatedly and somewhat redundantly,
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