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I live in NYS where we are required to hit world AND us history every year, even in 1st grade. I've been using SOTW for world history 2 days a week, and then following a timeline of living books for US history 2 days a week. It's not overwhelming time or work wise...we just read the sections/books and then narrate back to me.
I'm just feeling a little frustrated because I feel like we're flitting back and forth between world/us history so quickly, that they aren't really having a chance to chew on the information. I'd rather get lost in one time period for a little while than to feel like we're bouncing back and forth all the time.
Does that make sense?
Are there any creative ways I can work around this silly state requirement (aside from moving out of state, which, is tempting). All of these quarterly reports/ihips/assessments for a SIX yr old has me just kind of rolling my eyes.
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- Doing world history in the first half of the year, and us history in the second half of the year.
- Having world history be our main history focus, and just occasionally reading/narrating a living book on US history during morning basket/circle time (thinking Jean Fritz books, biographies etc.
- I had another idea, but now I can't remember what it was.  
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We enjoy this approach to history by choice. As part of following a Charlotte Mason philosophy, we enjoy studying our periods of history chronologically while each year, including some aspects of local, state, and US History alongside. (I know we've talked about this before here...but unfortunately, I don't have time to search for those threads right now...but if you have time you might search through the archives here.)
This approach works great when the local/state/national history is a read-aloud for us. (Although my older students read their books independently because they're typically reading from longer, meatier books)
And we love following along with pertinent events as part of this *local panorama of history* - like a local historic anniversary we might read about, following along with the Civil War Sesquicentennial - things like that. The calendar at Enchanted Learning is a good place to start for ideas!
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Yes, it's not so much that I resent doing both. I don't. We've had some great fun with some of the living US history books that I've found.
It's more of a ... what's the best way to do that? I'll look for the thread you mentioned.
It feels flaky the way we're doing it (2 days on world history, 2 days on US history), but maybe I just need to give it more time. I want to dig our toes into the sand, so to speak. Really nestle in. And the way we're doing it right now feels like we step into the sand, and then we quickly have to move to another beach. And then back again. Sorry for all of the metaphors. 
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I also live in NYS and am wondering where you are getting your information. Section 100.10 of the regulations of the Commissioner of Education has no provision for world history K-12. None. In section e. (iii) it reads: the following courses shall be taught at least once during the first eight grades: United States history,New York State history, and the Constitution of the United States and New York State.
Thats it. In 20+ years of homeschooling here I've only been called about my lack of fire safety on my IHIP. Really. The school mailed me some coloring books and that was that. I've been careful to include it ever since .
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Here is a link to the law. http://nyhen.org/regs.htm
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Like Jen, we follow the CM model, with two strands of history yearly, "ancient" and "national." Currently my 10 and 11-year-olds are studying Greece and Rome, respectively, and then everyone is in British history together. We've done "old world" and "new world" side-by-side in other years as well.
If you don't *have* to do two strands of history, per state law, and you don't find it helpful, that's fine, but I haven't found it flaky to have two historical narratives running at the same time. The connections are often interesting, and I think there's a lot of depth and texture to be had this way -- and nobody burns out on the Romans, or whoever! Over the course of a year, you do get to go fairly deep, and to stay in a period for long enough really to digest a lot about it. When we did only one history "strand" per year, I found we moved a lot faster -- all ancient cultures in one year, for example -- but it didn't stick as much.
Of course YMMV. But like Jen, we do our history this way by choice, and I find it to be helpful rather than otherwise.
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Shari in NY:
Interesting. The paperwork my district sent me is identical to what you linked ... except that they added in World History for grades 1-12. I never noticed the difference between what they sent me and what I've read on the web. That helps, to know that it's not necessary. Makes me feel a little less crunched by the regulations, that I may have some time and room to play with it and find a good fit without feeling like I'm breaking some sort of a rule.
Thanks, everyone, for the responses. I think I'll just mull it over and go from there. I'm not sure what's feeling off for me. I'll just figure it out. I understand that it's the CM way. I'm not opposed to doing both. I have found some great books for both that I really do want to read together. I'm truly looking forward to that. Just the way I'm currently doing it doesn't seem to fit. Maybe it's just something logistical that I need to shift to make it fit better. Or, like I said, maybe it just needs more time.
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Perhaps you could do U. S. History as read-alouds tied to calendar events (such as the upcoming September anniversary of the Battle of Ft. McHenry/composition of "The Star-Spangled Banner"). It might not seem so flaky/arbitrary if you anchor the reading and discussion to a specific date or event.
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millermom1110 wrote:
Interesting. The paperwork my district sent me is identical to what you linked ... except that they added in World History for grades 1-12. I never noticed the difference between what they sent me and what I've read on the web. That helps, to know that it's not necessary. |
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I am not in NY but find that this happens in many places. Always be aware that a local district might ask for more or look like they include more requirements. You are not required to do any more than an any state's requirements. So read and double check local paperwork against the state requirements. We have issues occasionally with school districts here.
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