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I am having a hard time choosing a Latin program for my oldest, who has been using Prima Latina. He loves learning Latin, but I am not that thrilled with the program. I would prefer a CM approach- hear and speak, read and write.
Any suggestions? He isn't finding Prima Latina difficult, although it is a lot of writing. I am just not a fan.
Has anyone used the CHC Little Latin Primers and Little Latin Readers?
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I just looked at the Little Latin Primers on line. They seem very difficult to me. I guess it depends on the age of the child. I don't think my 10 yo could handle it though.
We use Prima Latina at this age but I do it orally with them.
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Interesting question, Krista!
We use the Memoria Press programs and they do work well for us, though we really struggled with Latina Christiana I until I caved and bought the DVDs which are essential to learning at this stage of the program unless you have a solid knowledge of Latin conjugations and declensions...which I did not!
For using PRIMA LATINA:
:: HEAR: We listen to the CD provided and practice correct pronunciation.
:: SPEAK: I orally quiz the lesson and the child practices reciting the prayer and the practical latin to me. They practice reciting the prayer as well.
:: READ: We read the Latin prayers used for memorization together. Since we attend the Latin Mass, that provides us with other opportunities for hearing and reading and there are often simple sentences and examples I can use from the missal. I don't spend an inordinate amount of time finding these, but it doesn't take too much scanning to see something that relates to a verb we're studying or a noun we might have learned together, and I might point those out.
:: WRITE: I don't make use of the exercises in the book. I have them use the Latin prayers given in the lessons as copywork, and toward the end of the book, they write very simple latin sentences which make use of the vocabulary from the lesson. I do sometimes choose Latin copywork from the Missal. VERY SIMPLE copywork. >> Something like, VENI, SANCTE SPIRITUS (Come, Holy Spirit), or a simple excerpt from the Collect from the day. <<
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All the above is for an older writing child - for 6 1/2...
I'm not sure I'd ask for ANY writing from Latin. I'd probably just begin by working on memorization of some vocabulary and the prayers, and likely some of the beautiful hymns of our church like Tantum Ergo, Christus Vincit, etc. If there were writing it would likely be only one word...something like DEUS/God. You can pick up with the WRITE part of Latin once your little writer is well established in that skill. Just my 2 cents.
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I consider the Prima Latina program a really simple way to incorporate Latin into the home, and it has been easy to modify the approach to less of a workbook format, and more of a CM method. I like that we're learning basic vocabulary as well as prayers of the Church, and that lessons are short. Lingua Angelica and the accompanying CD's are a beautiful way to learn Latin hymns - I use this for all ages in my home. We don't follow the lessons, we just learn the hymns together and work on translating more when the children are older and have begun declining and conjugating.
Because we are exposed to Latin hearing and reading regularly through the Missal and Mass, I have not pursued additional Latin readers yet, but I have considered it, and may one day more seriously consider a purchase.
Hope this is helpful.
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Just coming back because this has me wondering how CM did teach Latin. I think I read that her students learned Latin and French?
Also wanted to second Jen's suggestion of Lingua Angelica! I got it for my dd this year and she loves it. It's really encouraged her to study Latin and we all enjoy just listening the the beautiful songs!
Actually, as I'm typing, the thought came to me ...
Could it work to teach Latin to a young child using the CM method of teaching reading? Instead of using "Twinkle Twinkle" to teach sight words and building from that, what about using a short Latin prayer? It would only be a start, but then that method for teaching a child to read is only a start too. Just a thought.
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Getting Started With Latin gets very good reviews.
You can download free audio files at the author's website.
The lessons are very short and could be easily done as speak/hear and then later as writing.
I'm using the Spanish version with my dc, and it is working nicely. The lessons are very short and flow well. It is no frills- no colorful pictures, etc, but I easily supplement with other resources from the library. For basic learn to speak, I don't think it could get easier to use.
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I second the getting the DVD's, they are wonderful to use with the material.
I've been wanting to get Lingua Angelica for the very reason. My girls are in our church choir and they had a group of french boys sing at a concert at our church, my oldest daughter immediately asked to buy their CD and wants to add learning French after our Latina Christiana II year. Listening to the language in a beautiful setting like music could make for some great motivation.
Before Christmas I was browsing through our local Borders and found in their clearance section a copy of Olivia Latin Edition and gave it to her for Christmas. She really liked that too. It gave her an extra push in learning the subject. So just wondering if getting some of these type of books would add that CM feel too. I don't have but want to check out Winnie Ill Pu or Grinch Stole Christmas in Latin ... you get the point.
Krista, I remember emphasizing more of the oral with her when we went through Prima, I didn't want her to get discouraged. A little note when she started Latina Christiana I this year she kept mentioning how she had already learned this in Prima your just getting to more grammar in LCI.
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Becky and Jen,
Thanks for your replies.
We have the Prima Latina DVD and use it for the lessons because I think it does help to hear it said and actually see her mouth forming the words. We're going to continue with PL, but I was looking ahead thinking what I should buy for next year. I had Latin Christina and Lingua Angelica in my shopping cart... then I got to thinking about if we needed a change.
If you can humor me, how different is Lingua Christina from Prima Latina? We have been doing PL for a couple years now, first just watching the DVD, then doing the exercises orally, this is the first time I have had him do the writing. I just set the timer for 10 minutes and he does that much writing. It takes us all week to do one lesson, sometimes more than a week, but we're okay with that. I do need to emphasize the spoken language more, using phrases we know, songs, or prayers.
I had thought it would take us a couple years to get through Latin Christiana, too, at our own, slow pace.
Becky, I love the idea of using a short Latin prayer.
And Latin copywork! That's going in my plans, for sure.
Maybe I'll back off the writing. That's the part that I was the most concerned about, anyway. I'll have him do some copywork instead, or some short translations that I make up. We'll work with flashcards and speaking more.
I would still love to know how much more intensive LC is than PL, if anyone could let me know. TIA.
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Thanks, Melinda and Jenny!
I think I'll be adding more books to that shopping cart.... my husband is going to *love* this. LOL
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SeaStar wrote:
Getting Started With Latin gets very good reviews.
You can download free audio files at the author's website.
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We love this book here! We start with it in grade 4.
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My kids enjoyed Latin for Children. It had a listening part, a video, and (for my second son who loves crafts and puzzles), a fun activity book with crosswords/etc. It is not a meaty program, but is a fun, easy way to enjoy Latin.
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For fun -- it's not that CM-ish, maybe, but have you seen Minimus? It's a little series (maybe 2 books) from Cambridge University Press, which follow -- comic-book style -- the little adventures of a family living in a fortress town along Hadrian's Wall in the north of England.
You learn vocabulary with the stories, plus some introductory-level grammar concepts (nouns, verbs, adjectives), plus historical tidbits, myths, etc. My children's favorite part is the chapter where the family gets a birthday invitation -- and then they show an actual birthday invitation found by archaeologists in this ruined town.
We've always just played around with this book and haven't study it schematically, but it's a very, very fun Latin resource.
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Sally,
I just had to come back and tell you how much I enjoyed looking into the Minimus books! The teacher's manual is so expensive, but it looks like so much fun and just the sort of thing my son would enjoy!
Right now I have the whole first set in my cart along with Getting Started with Latin and the Lingua Angelica CD and songbook for next year. I still think I'll end up using Latin Christiana, but in a few years when my son is older.
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I've never had the teacher's manual, just the Minimus book itself, which we read as a story book.
I love Lingua Angelica! Our parish choir has leaned heavily on the songbook and CD to add more chant to our repertoire. My kids have known the Salve Regina since they were tiny, thanks to that CD!
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Minimus Teacher's Manual - yours for only $63!!! 
So, can you do the program without it then? It says it "includes teaching guidelines, English translations of the Latin passages, and additional background information, plus photocopiable worksheets.."
That's $63 I could stand not to spend if you don't need it! Teacher's manuals have a bad habit of not really being used around here, if the material is presented clearly enough in the student text.
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kristacecilia wrote:
Minimus Teacher's Manual - yours for only $63!!!
So, can you do the program without it then? It says it "includes teaching guidelines, English translations of the Latin passages, and additional background information, plus photocopiable worksheets.."
That's $63 I could stand not to spend if you don't need it! Teacher's manuals have a bad habit of not really being used around here, if the material is presented clearly enough in the student text. |
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Did you figure out if this is essential? My oldest did fine with Prima Latina in fourth grade. I want to introduce my 3rd grader to some Latin and keep coming back to this. I've just focused her education on CM methods and practically use no workbook/textbook style material with her (except for math). Like you I'd rather not spend the $63 if possible 
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SallyT wrote:
For fun -- it's not that CM-ish, maybe, but have you seen Minimus? It's a little series (maybe 2 books) from Cambridge University Press, which follow -- comic-book style -- the little adventures of a family living in a fortress town along Hadrian's Wall in the north of England.
You learn vocabulary with the stories, plus some introductory-level grammar concepts (nouns, verbs, adjectives), plus historical tidbits, myths, etc. My children's favorite part is the chapter where the family gets a birthday invitation -- and then they show an actual birthday invitation found by archaeologists in this ruined town.
We've always just played around with this book and haven't study it schematically, but it's a very, very fun Latin resource.
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Sally, have you used both. Do you think they can be done in a year? Or are they meant to be spread out? I'm looking to just introduce her too Latin before using Prima again.
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Grace&Chaos wrote:
kristacecilia wrote:
Minimus Teacher's Manual - yours for only $63!!!
So, can you do the program without it then? It says it "includes teaching guidelines, English translations of the Latin passages, and additional background information, plus photocopiable worksheets.."
That's $63 I could stand not to spend if you don't need it! Teacher's manuals have a bad habit of not really being used around here, if the material is presented clearly enough in the student text. |
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Did you figure out if this is essential? My oldest did fine with Prima Latina in fourth grade. I want to introduce my 3rd grader to some Latin and keep coming back to this. I've just focused her education on CM methods and practically use no workbook/textbook style material with her (except for math). Like you I'd rather not spend the $63 if possible |
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I did NOT buy it. I purchased the CD and the student book along with Getting Started with Latin and I think it will work well. I really do think we'll be okay without the overpriced teacher's manual for Minimus. I have only had a chance to flip through it once, but it looks really good so far!
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Thanks Krista, I just bought a used copy of book 1 & 2 and cd 1. I figure we won't need the manual since it's just an introduction not meant to replace Prima Latina. Looking forward to getting them soon and preview. 
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Jenny,
I also got Lingua Angelica per the suggestions above. We listened to it for the first time today and really enjoyed it. I can see it becoming a quick staple with my son, who has a deep love for music AND Latin.
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I had to come back and share. I wanted to add a more living feel to my oldest dd latin in the fall. She'll be starting Latina Christiana II and wanted to break it up a bit.
So I just got two things will be adding and we really do like them. One is this Lyrical Latin cd and Mater Anserina latin poem book, also comes with a cd.
She'll be doing Latina Christiana II 3x's a week, Lyrical Latin one song once a week and Mater Anserina one poem once a week. (I couldn't resist the book it features Kate Greenaway illustrations  )
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