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Thank you, Lissa! Do you use Sonlight? I'm praying about what to use for history for my 9yod, and 12yos (will be 13yos) for next year. He'll be in 8th, and she'll be in 5th. I'm just not sure what we'll do yet.
We've never used Sonlight, but I was looking at the Core 3&4 as one of our possibilities for next year. We'll have to see......
Thanks! The book looks great! 
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WEll, I'm about a week late on this thread, but we've all been sick and I too have been considering Sonlight for History. My school aged ones are 2nd and 4th for next year and so far I've been roughly following the MODG history sequence which really only starts with a true text in 3rd grade which is _How Our Nation Began_ by Furlong. It's very Catholic and covers early explorers up to about George Washington, but it doesn't really seem *meaty* enough??? My considerations for next year for the older (and the younger will ride along) is _Our Pioneers and Patriots_ also by Furlong I think, which you use the first half for 4th grade and the second half for 5th. They also include _Evangelization of the New World_ for Spanish colonization. I am also very much hooked on the RL booklist and have been quite successful this past year at including all of these great titles into our studies. I know I'm rambling here  , any input on others "history" teaching status and methods would be so much appreciated  as well as any thoughts on how others incorporate Sonlight Cores into a CCM teaching/learning environment.
Many thanks from out West! 
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TracyQ wrote:
Thank you, Lissa! Do you use
Sonlight? I'm praying about what to use for history for
my 9yod, and 12yos (will be 13yos) for next year. He'll
be in 8th, and she'll be in 5th. I'm just not sure what
we'll do yet.
We've never used Sonlight, but I was looking at the
Core 3&4 as one of our possibilities for next year.
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Tracy--finally I have a minute to answer your
question! I *do* use Sonlight--sort of. Their catalog is
one of my top 3 educational resources. I've ordered a
Core from them every 18 months or so since Kate
was 4. I've never ever used a Core as it's written--for
one thing, I always make lots of substitutions
(adding in saint
stories, etc) and additions. And Sonlight's schedules
never work for my family.
What DOES work for us is using Sonlight as a
(hmm, searching for the right metaphor--oh, I know,
I'll borrow Elizabeth's) trail guide. Their historical
fiction selections are top notch. I love having that
perfect shelf-full of books to pull out at just the right
moment...
I love the timeline and map sections of the Sonlight
Instructor's Guides--I always buy their timeline
figures, and every week or two I flip through the IG to
see what new people and places we might want to
add to our timeline or mark on the wall map.
I also like to scan their Reader guides for books the
kids are reading that I don't have time to read
myself--helps me stay tuned in and able to listen
better when they talk about what they're reading.
Most of our best family read-alouds have been
Sonlight picks.
I'm not crazy about their Language Arts (although
they do include tons of dictation & copywork
passages from the readers & read-alouds, so if
that's something you do regularly, it's convenient to
have passages already selected for you).
Re their 3/4 combined--I have both Core 3 and Core
4, and we've spent well over a year on each one.
(We're closing in on the end of Core 4 now, after a
good year & a half.) There's so much great material,
and so many points we've wanted to linger on...the
IG keeps a pretty brisk pace, and for me that would
kill the fun. I think a lot depends on your family's
group & individual learning styles. The books in the
3/4 are definitely a lot of fun! If you decide to go for it,
my advice would be not to worry if you find yourself
traveling at a different pace than the IG. My family
tends to travel by covered wagon rather than
locomotive--but trains certainly have their
advantages too!
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TracyQ wrote:
Thank you, Lissa! Do you use Sonlight? I'm praying about what to use for history for my 9yod, and 12yos (will be 13yos) for next year. He'll be in 8th, and she'll be in 5th. I'm just not sure what we'll do yet.
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Tracy, I think you'll really like Core 3/4. I don't think you'll like the Current 8 (which I think will be 9 in the new catalog). It's wayyyy too much work to truly Cathoicize it. John made an attempt to get students to read both sides of the apologetics arguments, but not to my satisfaction. Now, I'm trying to remember what the shift will be, but I think that the current 7 will become 8. That's more American History and will fit beautifully with 3/4. However, if this is a confirmation year for your 8th grader, you might want to do more Church history and apologetics with him as your main focus. I ended up writing my own curriculum for that confirmation year...I wanted Sonlight to work but I tweaked it beyond recognition by the time I was finished
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Which I've heard is wonderful and fully plan on ordering and using with my older two as they approach Confirmation age. As usual, I'm sure I'll learn quite a bit too. Elizabeth, Nicholas is in 5th grade right now. I thought we'd use FIAR and other rabbit trails with him next year, and then start your study in 7th. He is my strong reader. (I also wondered when to start IEW...next year?) What do you recommend?
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I'm hanging in on this one, Lissa: do you buy the entire core package or just the teacher's core guides for each year and then get the books you see fit or from the library?? I am not particularly interested in their LA or science programs but I really think their history/literature would jump start our studies with a little more meat! Have you used any of the Catholic texts I mentioned in my earlier post, or has anyone on this thread?? I really appreciate how Sonlight has laid it all our so nicely but I know I will be tweaking quite a bit to add Saints and Church history along they way. I also own quite a few of the books listed in the Sonlight catalog under many of their cores.
Appreciate any more input. God Bless!
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happyheartsmom wrote:
Lissa: do you buy the
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Meredith, I'm thrilled to have you here. I meant to
add a note to you in my reply to Tracy, but I got pulled
away from the computer.
To answer your question: I've done both. I've bought
some complete Core packages, and for other levels
I've bought just the IG and selected books,
depending on what our library has and what I might
already own. When I've bought the whole Core, I
wound up re-selling several of the books (they
always go quickly on the Sonlight For Sale board), so
as the years go by, I'm finding it more prudent to just
pick & choose what I need.
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I have Pioneers & Patriots, which we referred to
several times while we read through the SL 3
booklist, but I can't say I used it with enough
regularity to call it a spine. While I love its Catholic
perspective (and appreciated finding tidbits of
information there that I haven't yet come across in
another children's book), I found the text dry and the
format unappealing. I guess I class it as a "useful
reference" rather than a *book that grips us.*
Landmark History, which I mentioned in the "Where in time are you?" thread, IS a
book that grips us, but that only happened this year
(when Kate is 9)--not two years ago when I first
picked it up. We read two or three chapters at what
the state considers the beginning of her 3rd-grade
year, but I could see that she was not engaged by
the text, so I set it aside. When I returned to it this
year, it "sang" for both of us. Sonlight 3 and 4 both
use it as a history spine, but it's hard to say if it would
engage your rising 2nd-grader.
More engaging for that age are the
Genevieve Foster books--we wound up using her
THE WORLD OF WILLIAM PENN as our spine for the
colonial period, and we loved it! Then we continued
with GEORGE WASHINGTON'S WORLD and ABE
LINCOLN'S WORLD. There's also THE WORLD OF
COLUMBUS AND SONS, if you want to begin with the
Age of Exploration. These books are beautifully
written, captivating, and do a great job of giving a
broad picture of what is happening all around the
world at a given point in time. I enjoy them as much
as my kids do--they are full of light-bulb
moments--so many *connections*! "Oh! I had no
idea this was happening at the same time as
that!"
I haven't read Evangelization of the New World or
How Our Nation Began--anyone else care to chime
in?
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OK, well, I couldn't get on yesterday afternoon so here I am with a few more "pick your brain" questions. I spent some of my afternoon combing the Sonlight cataglog for at least the hundredth time and then went to the SL yahoo catholic forum and tried to glean something from that as to what might work for us.
This next year I will have a 4th grader who is a voracious reader, (I mean a LHP book in two days or less) a young 2nd grader (more of a 1st grader and a half that reads way above his level) and a very bright and busy 3 yo who already enjoys school, and we'll have an almost 4 month old. SOO...
We have covered a fair amount of American history but without any solid spine, it's been more bits and pieces. I tried to start out this past year with the *History Links* with Creation and move forward, but they just weren't sastifactory and my kids have a really firm grip on Bible History because I start them with that in K.
I'm really intrigued with maybe just getting started with SL ALT2 now and blasting through 1 year of World/Ancient History and then the olders will be more closely matched for doing a nice two year journey through SL 3 & 4. Does this sound logical, we do so much reading that we are covering history via FIAR, Elizabeth's RL booklist, and my own searches and supplements, I am just feeling that with a new baby coming so quickly I want to have a least a little handle on our plans and we're seeming to be so lacking in history.
OK, hope I'm not whining too much here 
Another question for you history ladies, do you tend to use your History as your springboard into all your other learning or do you just insert as a subject and expand as you see fit?? I know this will vary for so many of us, I just want to get a feel, the Sonlight is clearly History/literature based, which I really appreciate, because I can fiddle with it to add picture books and other RA's, Saints, etc. that I know my kiddos will enjoy. And I know we are fully covered in all the other subject areas, ala CCM style. There's also the question of teaching to the younger or the older in the Sonlight style that I'm not sure will matter for us???
OK, let the answers come, I'm counting on you all  .
Thank you so much for all your input, your experience is invaluable to me as I am one of the isolated Catholic home schoolers for our area. Maybe I can help out some others as well with all my inquiries!
God Bless.
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happyheartsmom wrote:
This next year I will
have a 4th grader who is a voracious reader, (I mean
a LHP book in two days or less) a young 2nd grader
(more of a 1st grader and a half that reads way
above his level) and a very bright and busy 3 yo who
already enjoys school, and we'll have an almost 4
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Hey Meredith, I just realized that your next-year kid
lineup is almost identical to my lineup this year!
Right now I've got a voracious-reader 4th grader, a
1st grader who reads way above her level, a very
busy just-turned-4 yr old, and the baby. How funny!
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Well, I think it could work if you don't let yourself get
stressed out over checking off every single box in the
Sonlight IG. Their "Thanksgiving feast" analogy is
apt--they offer a huge array of material and assume
each family will eat as much as their particular
appetite allows. I've heard from lots of moms who
felt stressed and defeated by the fast pace and
enormous portion sizes... Seems like SL works best
for people who feel okay about moving at a
personalized pace.
I spent a full two years on the regular Core 2
program (this was the old version--they have since
broken it into two cores, 1 and 2, so I can't have been
the only person to think the old Core 2 rushed things
too fast). I haven't looked at the ALT2, so I don't know
how much more or less material there is to read
than the Core 2 version I have. My hunch would be
that you'd have to think of it as a sort of "highlights of
history" journey, and if you wanted to linger over
certain periods, following rabbit trails, you'd quickly
find it stretching out to much longer than one year.
Which may or may not suit you, depending on your
preferences.
I do think the books in ALT2 would be at a great level
for your mixed bunch--it's just the pace I see being
potentially troublesome. Pace of study is such a
personal thing; it's hard to guess what might work for
someone else. I think if I were you, I'd probably opt
for SL 1 instead of the ALT2 and plan to add in extra
readers for your oldest--I really do think there's plenty
in SL1 to engage a nine-year-old; it isn't at all like
sticking a 4th grader in a 1st grade curriculum.
Sonlight's levels really don't correspond to grade
levels; they are far more open-ended and flexible. I
have read many of the Core 4 read-alouds to the
entire family this year; the books were gripping
enough to engage the younger girls, and meaty
enough to provoke stimulating discussion with the
9yo.
OK, summing up--I could see you making a number
of options work--each requiring some
substitution/supplementation of Catholic materials--
ALT2 (just don't kill yourself to stay on schedule); OR
Core 1, pulling in extra readers for the 9yo (and
continuing w/ core 2 next year); OR
Core 3 all together; OR
spend the rest of this year reading selected
world/ancient history books from SL 1 and 2 as well
as other sources, FIARing them, more or less, and
then start next year with SL 3 as you suggested
above...
Just musing here...it's fun to think about the options!
And reading over this post, I fear it gives the
impression I see SL as the only option. That's not at
all the case--but this was a fun line of thinking to
pursue: what SL program would work best for this
particular arrangement of children.
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Wow, what a great response Lissa In reviewing my post and then reading yours, I am more inclined to not WANT to rush, as I feel we've only just scratched the surface with our previous historical studies, so maybe the ALT would be too rushed. I really enjoy being able to dive off and on the path as we see fit.
If I went with SL 3 & 4 for a 2 year route, and then revisit Anicent and World History when the olders are that much older do you think that would be short changeing them?? I feel like I haven't done the Ancient stuff justice. 
Alice: I know you're working slowly through Ancient, do you feel it's better to tackle that before US History??? We're just finishing up a wonderful month studying Japan using FIAR and tons of amzaing RA's and R's that I put together and my kids are really eating it up, the world perspective and all. Oh dear, Maybe we should just eat bon bons all day and read whatever we like  Just kidding.
Lissa, you've been an immense help. I'll keep pondering. I'm inclined to just purchase a couple of SL options and see what hits me when I can look them over. Probably not very economical eh??
Happy Presidents DAy to ALL. God Bless America.
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happyheartsmom wrote:
Wow, what a great
response Lissa In reviewing my post and then
reading yours, I am more inclined to not WANT to
rush, as I feel we've only just scratched the surface
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My sentiments exactly, Meredith!
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I don't think you need to feel that way at all! What
matters is that your kids are *connecting* to the
times & places you are reading about. I really don't
think it matters if they have a solid grounding in the
ancients before they study American history, or vice
versa. You'll get to all of it at *some* point, right?
(Well--sort of! There's never any "getting to all of it" in
history--there's always another story or perspective
to discover!)
We've moved through history more or less
chronologically here--with Kate, my oldest. But the
younger kids have joined us en route, so they're not
necessarily studying history "in order." For that
matter, neither am I--my own history studies in
school was almost totally Colonial America, with a
little Civil War and Ancient Egypt thrown in. I never
heard of Mesopotamia until I took a Western Civ
class sophomore year of college. And--dare I admit
it? --when HarperCollins hired me to write a
series set during the War of 1812, I had to do a
serious crash course of self-study to familiarize
myself with an era I knew very little about. The first
chapter of Little House by Boston Bay is the result of
a "WHOA!" moment during my studies--in reading
about the blockade of Boston Harbor during that war,
I was struck by the hardship of having to make do
without molasses or sugar for months on
end...:::shudder:::oh, the horror...
But I digress. Anyway, my point is that the study of
history is naturally a cyclical or zigzagging endeavor,
and with young children I think the starting point of
the journey is of less consequence than the manner
of travel (I'm mixing metaphors terribly but you see
what I mean).
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I wish you lived close enough to borrow mine! And
here it is almost March...the new SL catalog is only a
month away, right? Who knows what enticing new
surprises they'll have...
I'm not much help!
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happyheartsmom wrote:
Another question for you history ladies, do you tend to use your History
as your springboard into all your other learning or do you just insert as a
subject and expand as you see fit?? I know this will vary for so many of
us, I just want to get a feel, the Sonlight is clearly History/literature
based, which I really appreciate, because I can fiddle with it to add picture
books and other RA's, Saints, etc. that I know my kiddos will enjoy. And I
know we are fully covered in all the other subject areas, ala CCM style.
There's also the question of teaching to the younger or the older in
the Sonlight style that I'm not sure will matter for us???
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Hi Meredith,
I used SL for 4 years. I used their readers, read aloud, Language Arts and
Science. Because of the way SL is set up we did use history as the
springboard to all other learning. Almost everything we did was centered
about what we did in history. The only thing I didn't usually used was
their religion/bible program.
When my dd finished core 4 (second part of American History) I decided
to do history in the 4 year cycle suggested by TWTM. I still used SL
readers and read alouds but I didn't used their IG. But somewhere in
between her 5th and 6th grades my dd decided that she didn't want to
only read history. She was tired of historical fiction. She loved almost all
of SL books but she wanted to read fiction of another kind. This made me
think. We were missing out on a lot of good literature that is not
historical per se: fairy tales, fantasy, classics etc. But, I didn't want to
miss the dimension that living literature adds to history. So what I have
done this year is alternate between historical fiction and non historical
fiction both in our readers and read alouds. I still use SL as a guide to
good literature but have incorporated other sources as well.
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Thanks Lissa, sorry to have monopolized the other thread with Sonlight 
I do truly appreciate any input here as I'm always striving to do better and learn how others incorporate their *real learning* into their home school.
Looking forward to more responses. God Bless!
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happyheartsmom wrote:
Thanks Lissa, sorry to
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Oh goodness no! I'm just trying to get a handle on
how these forums work best--I can't figure out
whether it's easier to rename topics as the
discussion changes, or to keep everything in one
place since quite often our posts are carrying two or
three topics along at once, intermingled. (As is the
case with the last few Where in Time posts--we're
talking Sonlight specifically, but also you've asked
some excellent broader questions which absolutely
belong where they are!)
Let's keep talking about the "how best to study
history" in the original topic, and we can continue the
Sonlight core discussion here. If that makes sense!
Thanks for bearing with me as I learn the ropes of
moderating this forum.
(And I want to add that I am really enjoying this
conversation, Meredith--thanks for raising the
questions!)
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Lissa: You are so welcome and I'm sure I speak for many that we are so grateful that you are moderating this and other subjects on this website. What a blessing for us all to have such a great spot to confer.
Kudos to all the creators!
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Allright, I think I've had a revelation over night. My literature *princess* and I had a long discussion about where we are in our history studies and she and I agreed that we would really like to go for an in depth study of US History. She's really into the American Girls series as well and like the LHP has read them all numerous times. Come to think of it, Lissa, we need to read YOUR books Anyway, when we do Ancient and World History we'll want to really explore and one year with Sonlight will not do that justice. So I think I'm going to go for Sonlight 3 & 4 for the next 2 (ish) years and see where we come out. I'm so excited, I'm not sure if I'll be able to wait for the new school year, I think we'll start NOW
Thanks so much for wading through this with me and to others input as well, it is most valuable.
Now whether to buy the whole kit and kaboodle or piece it together with what we already have...any thoughts on this one???
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Ah, there's a question! What do you already have? What I do is sit down with the catalog and check off everything I already happen to own. Then I look up the rest of the books in the library to see what's there. I check out the files at the SL-Catholic list to find out about recommended substitutions. Then it's easier to decide whether I need to spring for the whole caboodle, or (as has been more often the case) can make do with local resources and a smaller SL order (the IG, timeline stickers, etc).
I will say that the readers and read-alouds from SL 3 and 4 have been BIG hits with my oldest child, and I see them being picked up often for re-reads and re-re-reads.
Feel free to work through the checklist right here--I'd love to talk about substitutions, additions, etc. Or of course the SL-Cath list is a great place for that too.
Oh--one more thought--if your daughter loves the American Girls and Little House books, a really fun thing to do is to print out copies of the book covers (do a Google image search for each title) and stick them onto your timeline. Really helps locate all those fun adventures in time!
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OOH, Lissa, I love that idea, I actually received a color copier, printer scanner for Xmas from my dh and so I've been going nuts copying book covers and images from our favorite stories to include in our lapbooks and notebooks. I actually reduced Abe Lincoln from one of our RA's from yesterday and he's now on the timeline too.
I do have three different history timeline card sets from History Through the Ages and they are very inclusive and actually overlap a bit so I don't think I'll need to use the Sonlight ones, we also do our own BOC, so unless you think the Sonlight Book of Time is necessary, I think we're covered there too.
I forgot to ask you about the History of US by Hakim, do you have it, like it, use it??? I know there are mixed reviews even within Sonlight, but I'm wondering if it would be a nice addition to the SL Core 3 & 4???
OK, so I'm sitting with my catalog for lunch and will start checking and comparing to what we have. I did check out the SL Cath board pretty heavily over the weekend and feel pretty comfortable with some of the substitutions and recommendations they have there. We also do a ton of Saints stories Vision and Windeatt, not to mention all the Faith and Freedom readers from Seton that will be wonderful supplements to our historical time period.
Wow, I'm so excited , and I've never been really so excited about history before, I am ashamed to say my public school education did not lead to much retention on my part especially in history. Any way off we go...
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Well, here I am again, hopefully not boring anyone to tears . I had the privilege of looking over a girlfriends Core 3 yesterday, surprise...I didn't know her son was in my daughter's grade. Any way, it looks great, especially all the teacher notes on the readers and read-alouds. Is anyone whose following my thread here using an additional Catholic text, ie Pioneers and Patriots, or another that I may not be aware of to supplement the Landmark History of the American People Selection? Just curious, I'm pretty sure I will be able to cover the Catholic portion with Saints stories and other church history. I continue to humbly appreciate all thoughts! Thanks
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I'm hoping its not too late to jump in here. Just wondering if anyone has any sonlight level suggestions for me. I'm going to use my own program for my oldest as it is his confirmation year. But, I'd like to group my middle three together if possible. I have a 11 year old reluctant reader, 9 year old voracious reader, and a 6 year old beginner. I thought about doing Core 3 with easy readers for my youngest. But, I wasn't sure if I would be tweaking too much. I'm thinking of just getting the IG because we have have many of the books and the library seems to have the rest. I'm trying to work out a plan so that my oldest gets both American and World History again before his confirmation year. So, maybe I should do 3/4 and then a 2/6 combo. But since he's not a great reader 6 may be too hard for him even next year. Any ideas?
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