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Anyone watching The War? We just watched part 1 tonight and it's riveting! And, I am NOT a WWII buff or expert.  It's on the next 3 nights. 
DH likes all of Burns' stuff - Civil War, baseball, etc.
Here's the link for the DVDs.
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Thanks for the reminder! I'll look to record it...now if I can just find a blank tape without going to the store....hmmm... 
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We're recording it...ds is doing modern world history this year.
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Husband watched most of it last night and he said that it is very graphic! Just so you know.
They talk about what some of the Japanese did to the bodies of the dead American soldiers and what the other American soldiers did in retaliation. That kind of thing. They also talked about who was fit for service and who was considered a 4F. One of the questions they asked the candidates was about whether or not they "liked girls". If you answered that question wrong, you were considered a "moral" 4F which meant that you didn't have the moral character to serve. Right now, that might prompt some questions that I don't feel necessary to explain and discuss, but your son is older.
My husband's overall impression was "very well done but very intense" and he was a history major who had studied most of this before. I asked him if he wanted to record it, but he said no since he wouldn't want our kids to watch it until they were much older.
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Thanks Matilda...I was a history major too...I'm betting I'll follow in line with our dh. I'll just wait until Netflix has it and try it then on my own. Thanks for the heads up!
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wow, maybe I missed something or I'm simply not as sensitive as I should be...
My 12 and 11 year old read an article in the Sunday paper about it and asked to stay up to watch it. I figured he's asking to watch a WWII doc - sure!
They don't seem to have sufferred for the watching of it. In fact, they seem to have thought it was great. It's all they could talk about at breakfastthis morning.
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Dh, I and 15 yo watched (dd who is WWII buff and very mature). It was so noisy with discussion going on and all that the whole line about 4F was missed by all but myself so that worked out fine. It was quite, quite graphic but we have a family member whose father was beheaded by the Japanese in the Philipines and family who were in China during the Japanese occupation. I think my children have heard some things before and they have read about how there were Americans who shot prisoners (both Japanese and German). This was not shown visually on the film - but was spoken about by one of the vets. There was one case of taking of the Lord's name in vain with reference to listening to a man suffer all night and finally die just before morning and how tired and insensitive everyone was that they simply wanted the man to be quiet and hurry up and die. That was troubling, though it was a first hand account with the veteran speaking with regret at how it turned out to be his best friend. Otherwise the language was remarkably clean for a war movie.
I would not have my youngers watch this nor my olders unless they had already studied the time period. With olders, I would really take into account their personality and how the visuals or graphic descriptions might affect them. Most of the excessively graphic things were not shown but were spoken of - the mutilation of bodies, executions - but they did show a beheaded body.
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Martha,
I was not implying that the show wasn't suitable for anyone's children, just that my Husband thought it would not be suitable for OUR children. (I did point out that Nancy's son is older than mine.) All in all, my husband thought the first episode was very well done and hopes they continue with that same level of detail throughout the rest of the series. He was very impressed by the way they didn't gloss over the brutality of the war and also didn't try to romanticize it. For our children, who thought Nanny McPhee was way too scary and won't even go near the Wizard of Oz, he determined that this was something we would wait to show them. We deal with enough nightmares and scary thoughts before bed anyway right now.
As far as the comment I made about the 4F situation, it would probably sail over most kids' heads without notice. On the off chance it didn't though, Husband didn't think 9 was an appropriate age to try to explain why "not liking girls" could keep you out of the Army. Especially when that 9 year old would probably say he doesn't really care for girls himself in a very different way than the show was referencing.
Sorry if there was any misunderstanding.
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Janet, it looks like we were typing at the same time. You expressed what I was trying to say. Thank you! I didn't see the beheaded body, but the bloated body of the dead baby made me weepy. I know my kids wouldn't have been able to handle that!
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I'm taping it to watch later. Ken Burns is intense and does have his own personal agenda within his documentaries.
Today the Online WSJ is free and there's a great review of the "The Perilious Fight".
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oh I didn't take it personal and didn't intend to attack anyone for thinking differently for their children.
Just oh I don't know...
Sometimes I read things and scratch my head wondering at the wonderful differences amoung us.
After posting earlier, I asked my boys what they thought of the doc and the oldest seemed to have missed most of it. He kept saying "Spain" instead of Japan for example. argh. My second boy though seemed to have really been rivited to the entire program. He thought it was great.
Some things he mentioned when I asked what he thought was the most compelling in it:
"I wanted to cry for that man who told his friend who was crying for his mother to just hurry up and die. He must have felt terrible about it. I know it's really hard to listen to Bridget cry for you when you aren't home, but I think that musta been millions worse. Some of the men were drafted and some were enlisted, but they were all stupid about what it meant until they got there. Then they couldn't leave. Many were brave, but most were just trying to survive. I think they all wanted their mothers. I didn't know that grown men could still want their mothers."
He doesn't remember seeing a dead baby, but he did say he thought it was terrible that little kids were given weapons and that grown people felt they had to shoot those kids. He thinks it's really horrible that somebody wasn't taking care of those little kids. He wants to know where the big brothers and sisters were if the parents couldn't do it. He seemed really ticked about this.
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Jenn,
My husband is pretty sensitive to what he calls "bad history" or history with an agenda. He hasn't seen all of Burns' stuff but so far hadn't seen anything he objected to. Do you have any specific examples of his agenda coming through? He would appreciate the heads up. Thanks!
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Matilda wrote:
Jenn,
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That article I posted the link above explains some of what I mean.
I guess I also bristle at the idea that history must be all inclusive. We could get into a philosophical debate at what is history? Newer textbooks and Burns makes sure we include everyone's story, even if there was no historical impact by them. I think you know what I mean -- what were the homose*uals, women, African Americans, Native Americans all impacted at the time. While there is nothing WRONG with including their perspective, it can cloud our viewing of that time because we're looking back with today's culture in mind, instead of viewing it through yesterday's society and thinking.
Probably clear as mud, but I'm fuzzy brained as of late and that's the best I can do for now. 
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Dh, dd15, and I watched the first installment last night. My daughter commented today that she found the photos and footage upsetting; I agree -- they were graphic. She volunteered that she *knows* the kinds of things that happened, but seeing the images is more than she can handle. She wisely decided not to watch any more of it. We didn't offer the opportunity to dd11 to watch it; ds18 needed to go to bed so he could get up for work at 5am. He may decide to watch the taped version some other time. With the daughter who watched it, we would be okay with her seeing it if it didn't upset her. I know some of my dc would have been fine with it at 15 (they would have focused more on the historical details than on the graphic scenes), so we let her check it out, with her being clear that she could leave if/when she felt it was too much.
It seems to be very well done, but is definitely not for everyone to watch.
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I just read in the Catholic Standard which is the Archdiocese of Washington, DC paper that Joseph Vaghi, a local priest's father (Father Peter J. Vaghi), will be appearing in the documentary. He was a beachmaster at Omaha Beach during D-Day. That episode airs on Wednesday.
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Boy do I feel old. I was acquainted with Peter Vaghi when he worked on Capitol Hill! It's been so many years ago that he wouldn't remember me and my cronies...but wow, how time does fly!
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My grandfather is Bataan Death March survivor.
We stayed up and watched it, after the little ones were put to bed. My 13 year old son, who has talked to Grandpa about some of his experiences had it really brought home to him, what Poppy lived through. And if he hadn't... well, neither I nor dear son would be here.
I called Ppppy afterwards. He had watched it. Said it wasn't as graphic as living through it.
Good show. Much better than Burn's drivel I saw on Susan B. Anthony that left out any pro-life ideas!
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