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If I've never used this program with DS and he struggles with all aspects of language anyway, am I doing a disservice to him by doing the ILL program instead of moving to the Lingua Mater version? I'm just looking ahead to whether he will really be prepared for high school although the plan is still to homeschool.
If I stick with ILL, should I start at the beginning or skip to Part III which I assume would be about 6th grade level. ??
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If he struggles then I do think LM would be too much for him at this stage. ILL breaks it down into bite size pieces. I'd be included to skip to Part 3, more because it would be at his interest level. However I'm willing for wiser voices to dissent 
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If he struggles with all aspects of it? I'd do I'LL and start with part 1. Better to go slow, steady, thorough and succeed, than push too hard IMO.
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Martha wrote:
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Yes he does Martha...reading, writing, organizing thoughts in his head, verbally and on paper. We're working with a tutor for the receptive/expressive language issues right now. I've worked with him to boost reading fluency and decoding so that's challenging. Going into 7th grade he's prob. still around a 4th grade reader and writer.
Maybe this should be another thread but when they get to high school and he's still doing "middle school" work possibly, do I still count that as high school english credit?
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Hmmm. I tend to err on the side of sure success when they are struggling like that. Progress is better than meltdowns and shutdowns and disappointment.
If you have doubts about whether even intermediate language lessons' part 1 is too much, I wouldn't find fault with you for starting with primary language lessons.
Or if I may suggest without hurting feelings, I'd recommend Write with the Best as an alternative. It's cheap, very simply layed out and holds the hand through baby steps without making them feel babyish or over whelmed.
As for high school. Worry about it when he gets there, because the difference between now and then will blow your mind. But yes, if the high school work must be paired down to his level of ability, then he would still receive high school credit for it. By that point, you will have documentation of his needed adjustments and any institution or service asking for details will expect his transcript to reflect his testing and related modifications.
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Martha wrote:
Progress is better than meltdowns and shutdowns and disappointment.
If you have doubts about whether even intermediate language lessons' part 1 is too much, I wouldn't find fault with you for starting with primary language lessons.
Or if I may suggest without hurting feelings, I'd recommend Write with the Best as an alternative. It's cheap, very simply layed out and holds the hand through baby steps without making them feel babyish or over whelmed.
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Thank you Martha! I def. think ILL Part 1 should be sufficiently do-able w/o overwhelming and still provide the CMish style I think will benefit him and also expose him to some of the beautiful artwork and short literature selections.
I will look at the other one you suggested too. I have CHC Creative Comm. and was looking at The Writer's Jungle (Bravewriter?) for more in-depth writing programs.
I am going to use Winston Grammar basic with him this year also so I'm going to ease back into formal in-depth writing. He's been at a co-op and while he has def. learned I'm hoping by keeping him home this year he will make greater strides when again, he's not forced to perform within the given box guidelines of a school situation.
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Coming back to chime in, sounds like Part 1 would be a better fit. Have him achieving and feeling the success would be great 
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I agree with Martha! I have erred too many times in pushing my kids before they are ready to move on. Spelling is an example. In 7th, my son should have been spelling at 7th grade level (but he wasn't) so it just about killed me to back up. I finally did and we started AAS level 1!!! What a difference it made! I realized he was so behind in spelling because he missed some key concepts along the way. Backing up really helped him.
As for PLL and ILL, I think by using the same books but raising your expectations you could accomplish a 7th grade language arts program. I know my sons started those books in 4th and I'm not sure we actually got everything out of them that we could have. There is really a lot of meat there! I used them as an intro to a lot of things but at the 7th grade level you could expect mastery.
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That's a good idea, Becky. I will take a look again over the material before determining exactly where to start and how to plan out the course over the year esp. with the mastery aspect in mind.
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Topic: Inter. Lang. Lessons or Lingua Mater?
