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I recently bought the complete set of Winston Grammar and have started my children on it with much enjoyment and satisfaction. I have taught up to the first quizz from the Basic Level Grammar. In the first page of Quiz 1 in question 1 there is this sentence for analysis: "An honest person deserves respect from us." We missed underlining 'respect' as a noun because when we applied the 'two' and 'the' test to it we didn't think it worked..can someone advise me with this in any way?
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Respect is an idea and ideas are nouns.
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And the noun clue card does have the picture clues that show:
person
place
thing
idea
And if you go to Lesson 1 in the Winston Grammar book (the lesson on articles and nouns) you'll see that it says that *the* and *two* work for detecting most, but not all nouns. 
Winston Grammar, Anne!!!!!!
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Well I thought that would be the case, but if I'm following the rules of this program, why didn't it mention that ideas don't fit the 'two and 'the' test? Just not sure why they didn't cover this before the quiz...
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Sorry cross-posting Jen, thanks for that..ack, I'm re-reading Lesson 1 and I can't find where it says 'not for all nouns'...
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Oops..found it  little print down the bottom of page 1..how
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I hate exceptions..Jen, does this mean that it's nouns that are ideas are likely not to fit this clue test?
I'm really, REALLY loving this too Jen, we've only just started but it's an answer to a prayer for me. 
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It's on page 1.
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The clue side of the Noun Card shows you two things:
1. It shows four picture clues that tell you that nouns name persons, places, things, or ideas.
2. The bottom of the clue side of the Noun Card shows you two words.* The word two tells you that it makes sense to make a noun plural.
Example: person two persons
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I'm working from the 2006 edition, Anne.
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Oh dear. We were cross posting! Glad you found it!!!
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That's right. Ideas like liberty, respect, love, admiration do not fit the clue words while person, place, things do.
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 Jen! Have you used the whole program? When you get time, do you mind sharing why you love it so? I'm very taken with this and would love to hear what other people's experiences with Winston.
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I use the entire series of Winston Grammar. In fact, it is almost the only formal grammar we do. You can read more details on a grammar post I wrote.
** Basic in late elementary.
** Word Works in Jr. High
** Advanced in High school
What I love about Winston Grammar and why we keep coming back:
** It lends itself to short lessons.
** I only use the Teacher's Manual. I don't have the kids use the workbook. We simply work with the cards and do most of our lessons orally with example sentences or using the sentences which are in the answer key in the back of the Teacher's Manual.
** I can use the Winston Grammar cards with dictation lesson sentences.
** The parts of speech explanations are clear and simple.
** The cards are simply inspired!!!!! They allow this program to become a hands-on program, which is GREAT for any kinesthetic learners!
** Using the cards (and I HIGHLY recommend laminating them for durability!!!) and the Teacher's Manual, this program can be non-consumable. You can have a child write a few sentences on paper, or on the board, or not at all.
We often use the program in this way:
Day 1
** Teach the lesson.
** Use the cards to map out a few example sentences.
** Discuss and check.
** Done.
Day 2
** Review the lesson
** Go to the answer key in the back of the TM, and to the appropriate worksheet that coordinates with the lesson just taught.
** Read 2 - 3 sentences and have child map out the sentence on the table using the cards. When it comes to prepositional phrases, and showing how words are modifying other words, handle that in this way:
** First, child reads the parts of speech in order. Example: The dog sat = article, noun, verb.
** If those are correct, I mention that there were two adjectives in the sentence. I read sentence aloud again.
** I ask the child what those adjectives modify. Child answers orally.
** I mention that we have a preposition in the sentence. I ask the child to identify the prep phrase (re-read sentence if needed).
...and so on.
The oral and hands-on only approach works for us because we keep the lessons short, simple and I can scaffold the answers and analysis for the child starting with identifying parts of speech and working to adj/adv and their modifiers and so on.
The other programs address word usage (Word Works) and the Advanced program picks up where Basic leaves off and covers gerunds, infinitives, possessives, participles, etc.
It is simple, efficient, straightforward and not cartoony or character driven in any way which means you can remediate your 8th grader and teach your 4th grader with the same program very effectively! The program works well for me because it does fit that short lesson model, and I particularly like taking a couple of years off in between the three programs as information and lessons really gel and firm up through dictation lessons in those years.
So, that's my review of Winston Grammar!
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I should also mention that I really appreciate the format of the Teacher's Manual for conveying information. It makes sense and is intuitive for me. Each lesson contains a visible and standout box of IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR STUDENTS. This is the stuff I need to make sure I hit in a lesson. It isn't overly wordy or confusing or lengthy which makes the bullet points easy to follow and easy to convey. There is sometimes additional information, but not much. And you do have to read the little print at the bottom of the lessons as they often contain the beloved exceptions. 
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I just wanted to mention that I spent quite a bit of time e-mailing the author about something my ds was just not getting and she was very helpful, prompt and encouraging. So if you ever get stuck try that
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Beauty!  Thank you Jenn! I am grateful as I was discussing this with a friend last night, I'll send her the links and this post. I just felt that while I really like it, I've only just started using it. It's really great to have a good recommendation from someone who has used it thoroughly.
I laminated my cards immediately, they need to be in for the long haul. I'm planning to make some flash cards with rules they give and listings of the pronouns and being verbs etc, whatever comes along that I want my children to know well. I find flash cards are really good for me when I'm travelling in the car with children, an older child can hold up the cards in the front and we can go through them orally as a family.
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Oh, that is really good to know, Anne!! Thank you!
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Anne, I had started writing an email to Liz but I wasn't sure if they would appreciate that sort of email, so thanks for letting me know. I sensed to that I'd get a really good response here as well, I really appreciate the time you've given Jen, thank you.
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We, too, are big Winston fans. We switched to Winstons after reading Jen's blog post. We have tried many grammar programs but it just wouldn't stick with my dd. But Winstons hands-approach with the cards have seemed to do the trick.
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How long have you found the basic program to take ( a full school year)? If you were just starting out with a 7th grader would you use the three levels, one right after the other, so you finish before the PSAT or would you skip a year between the levels?
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Aagot wrote:
How long have you found the basic program to take ( a full school year)? If you were just starting out with a 7th grader would you use the three levels, one right after the other, so you finish before the PSAT or would you skip a year between the levels?
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Yes, Aagot. A full year is a good plan for both Basic and Word Works. Advanced would be better if you moved a bit more slowly. It can take up to 2 years.
If you wanted to finish by the time a student takes the PSAT, you'd need to start in 6th grade assuming that you take 2 years to complete Advanced. Even if you started in 7th though, you'd be halfway done with Advanced by the time you start. Having already been through the PSAT once though, I think it would be fine to in Advanced Winston Grammar by the time your student takes the test.
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Thanks so much Jen,
I guess I better get moving on it.
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