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OK, I'm a rookie bread maker here...
I have a tried and true whole wheat recipe from my sister, and I use my bread machine to mix and knead the dough. Why, when I transfer it to a loaf pan, and watch it start to nicely rise a 2nd time, does it fall and end up looking like an ugly whole wheat cracker?? This has happened twice now.
I'm confused...what's the trick to bread rising and staying risen until it is baked??
Thanks.
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Shawna,
How long are you letting the bread rise the second time? It just needs to rise until it's doubled, then pop it in the oven. My bread always "doubles" way before the "30-40" min. the recipes suggest to wait. If you let it rise too long, eventually any dough will fall.
If it's falling BEFORE you put it in the oven, you can just punch it down, reshape it, and let it rise again, for a shorter period this time...everytime you punch down bread and let it rise, it will rise a little faster the next time...
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Bread dough is more durable and forgiving than most people think. If you are frustrated and don't have time for a third rise just pop your dough covered with greased plastic wrap, in the fridge. Try again tomorrow.
Try: not leaving your dough unsupervised until you get a better feel for it - and trust your eyes - if it looks pretty well risen ignore the clock and put it in the oven. We're talking art here, not science.
Keep us posted - I'd be happy to PM to help you out too. Fresh bread is a passion of mine.
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Amie is really the pro here but I'm wondering does your sister also make it in the bread machine? I find my bread machine does not knead whole wheat dough enough for it to have a good sustaining rise - even when I add vital gluten. Mine tends to flop over the sides of the pan.
btw Amie - I decided on the Bosch & even bought some bread bags & 2 pans, based on your suggestions. It was an agonizing decision between the Bosch & the Electrolux but I could barely go wrong since both have such good reputations. Thx for your help!
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Thank you guys!
I did not know you could let bread rise a third time. I am determined...I'm going to try it again.
As for the bread machine, my sister uses this exact recipe over and over, with her breadmachine doing the kneading, and then rising it on the counter and baking it in the oven....
But I am also intrigued...what is a "Bosch" or the other" Zori..." machine that I see discussed here? Are these bread machines? What do they do to help the breakmaker?? Like I said, I'm really a rookie! 
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Hi Shawna,
The Bosch is a mixer.
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Shawn -- if you think it is done rising for the second time, test it by pushing your index finger into the dough -- if it leaves an imprint, it's risen and ready to go in; if not try back in 5 or 10 minutes.
Keep persevering. Also, it helps if your kids around helping -- any minor catastrophes can turn into lessons learned
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You can let bread over-rise and it will ferment--not a good sourdough, but a bad one. sounds like yours may have risen too much the second time and then collapsed. A quick third rise probably would work. The other thing you can do is briefly knead it again and then make little dough balls to fry in olive oil. When they're golden, you can dust with powdered sugar or parmesan cheesed or you can dip them in melted chocolate. It's eating your mistakes!
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Oh my Elizabeth, that sounds so good! I wouldn't mind eating that kind of mistake!
Thanks again for the good tips.
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