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LucyP
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Has anyone else heard/seen the coverage of the study that apparently shows children who don't socialise enough (presented as being in daycare and school) have a 30% higher risk of getting Leukaemia?
Does that ring any bells? I haven't heard of many home educated children getting Leukaemia, and the children I have heard of/known with it went to school.
The study looked at 14 other studies which apparently are the entire body of work on the issue. Those of us with larger families are fortunate as the woman talking about the report said in "the olden days" when people still had large families (lol!) children could catch enough illnesses within their own family, but nowadays "isolated children" don't get ill enough.
Hmmm....
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I have no idea of what study you are referring to but as the mom of a leukemia survivor I find it very disturbing and ridiculous. As far as I know, doctors still do not know what causes leukemia. I have never heard of leukemia being an issue of socialization or a result of being sick frequently.
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This is a link to the story from the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7370773.stm
I agree Mary Chris, it does sound disturbing and ridiculous.
ETA - the article above includes advice from a cancer charity not to worry about it as it is not conclusive which is different from how it was presented on the news.
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lack of logic there.
if that were the case I would think it would have less to do with not being social enough and more to do with the interior locales not being healthy
same goes for being sick frequently. obviously a lower immune system is ripe for sickness.
I wouldn't have much patience for reading an article so poorly written or a study so poorly evaluated.
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****children who don't socialise enough (presented as being in daycare and school)****
so they are also saying that 'school' doesn't socialize your child enough/or right??? LOL isn't that what we have been saying all along???
lolololol
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CAgirl4God - no, that's my poor writing: they were saying that a child who doesn't socialise enough stood more risk, and that to socialise enough they needed to be in daycare or school.
I feel better with all the cool heads here rolling their eyes. I must admit while I was making breakfast and listening to a respected journalist going on about this report I started to think I would have to consider sending the children to playgroup or school!
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I have not read the study and I probably will not. As a mom of a survivor, I have a lot of issues. I have my own suspicisions of why Carter got cancer and believe me none of them make any sense either but I'm not going to try and publish my insanity. But cancer being caused by a social thing, well now that makes absolutely no sense to me. Carter was a well socializied toddler even though he did not go to preschool before getting sick, he was only two. Carter also ate all organic food, breastfed to 23 months, I was totally into Waldorf then and had all wooden toys and he still had leukemia at 33 months.
Now while he was on treatment we could not allow him to socialise with his peers for risk on him getting sick.
People who have crazy theories like that only make me mad. Why do people get such a kick from instilling fear into others?
Done ranting....back to math
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The word 'social' is refering to exposure to germs and whatever, not really to daycare and school, though, right? But other kids are great sources of viruses and all that, so they lumped getting out of your super clean home in with going to daycare. And also why they said that children from largee families show less benefits from outside exposures. I had been hearing that early exposure to things helps prevent later problems as far as allergies, but never cancer. I would not worry about it, but I do use the germ and dirt theory as a reason to not worry about a perfectly clean house. I tell DH that the condition of the house is buiding little immune systems;)
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Quote from BBC:
"There is abundant evidence now that the immune system requires infection in the first few months of life in order to be set up and function normally."
Really! I can just see the next take on this, "Stop Breastfeeding and giving your newborn immunity to diseases!" or "Daycare for the one-day old, stop off on your way home from the hospital!"
Sorry, I don't usually respond this way, but this has my old hematology/oncology nurse ire up. I don't know anything about these groups who performed the studies or how they were able to control all the extraneous factors. I am going to ask my kiddo's ped about this at our next visit. I guess I am upset that this nebulous study might lead to a leukemia patient's parent feeling, "if only I had..."
BTW, here is what our ped's guidelines are for the under three-month-old group, (who are the ones the "studies" assert benefit from infection) and what to do in case an infection of any sort is suspected:
Call Your Doctor Now (night or day) If:
Your child looks or acts very sick.
Age under 1 month old and looks or acts sick in any way
Age under 12 weeks with fever above 100.4°F (38°C) rectally. (CAUTION: Do NOT give your baby any fever medication before being seen)
Pain suspected as cause of crying.
Vomiting.
Your baby cannot be comforted after trying for more than 2 hours.
Any parent who has had a wee one come down with these symptoms knows the doc would send them to ER. That is the protocol our peds work under.
And I would think that just having other children, going to church, marketing, ... at the minimum for most of us, activity-wise, would expose us all to just about anything a daycare could offer.
And that reminds me of a funny/ironic bit of my past- when I was in nursing school, I had to do work in a daycare setting. My job, the first day, was to screen every child that walked in the door. I had to take their temps and look at their throats. Any fever or red throat meant they had to go back home!
Thank you for sharing this with us, Lucy! I try to read BBC each week (I like the different perspective it gives to world events.)
Sorry for the rant! 
God Bless,
Stacy in MI
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