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Posted: Aug 29 2011 at 9:07am | IP Logged Quote 10 Bright Stars

Hi all,

Hello fellow 40 somethings! I am 41 currently and am having trouble losing weight to cut to the chase. I used to be very thin in my younger years, and had no problems losing the weight until after I had twins 6 years ago. After their pregnancy, I GAINED 30 pounds in their first 3 months of life, I assume due to not getting any sleep (averaged, honestly about 3 hours per night for 6 months!!) and the stress of daily living in a large family. I used to walk a 1/2 hour each day, but again, haven't done this regularly for several years now due to pregnancy, nausea, etc.etc. I tend to put myself last, and well, it is SHOWING!!!!

So, about a month ago, I borrowed a treadmill from a friend. I walked on that for 30 minutes averaging every other day or so, and then, I would have to stop a week due to life or some other interuption. (Also, my baby is a screamer unless he is literally touching me, so it was disconcerting to try to treadmill with him lying on the bed screaming as he will tolerate no other individual, including Dad!) So, instead of being relaxing, it was stressful. Then, I started using my son's resistant weight machine, and somehow seriously hurt my back even though I was taking it slowly and lifting only 20 pounds. This put me down for a week and a half and I gained back, promptly I might add, the 4 pounds I had managed to lose with diet and exercise. Sounds like a lot of excuses, but my day is filled with the needs of others, which is fine for me mentally, but physically, it is having an affect.

So, I find myself very depressed about how my body is getting very old and prone to injury, and I realize I will have to approach exercise much more gingerly, which is annoying. I think I will have to hit it harder from the diet side. Sadly, I DO tend to be a stress eater, so this will be difficult for me, and I need to try to figure out what is appropriate as far as eating! I have begun a weight lose journal, since I tend to get lost in the ins and out of the day and forget where I am and what my goals are. So, that is a first step. I made a food plan for the day, and then exercise and prayer goals to work the body and the soul. I was also researching losing weight over 40 and everything I read says it is VERY DIFFICULT due to hormones and all sorts of fun stuff.

I do have thyroid problems, but at last check, they said I am "weird, but normal for you". I have strange levels that somehow affect my pituitary as well and there is only one other woman in the practice that they see that matches me to a T! (Wish I could meet her and see if she is fat too! )

I also went online and did one of those "your ideal weight" and what my BMI was. After I picked myself off the floor, I realized I need to get serious! According to their charts, I need to lose 50 pounds. The most I have ever managed to lose, or needed to lose in the past was 10. So, this seems a bit overwhelming!

Which leads me to my "over 40" question. Most of the sites I read online about losing weight and keeping it off after 40 said that I should eat 5-6 small meals a day, and that a woman my age really needs to just stop when she feels satisfied and not really ever feel full. They also commented, that "you should really always feel a little bit hungry". !!!!!!!! That was alarming to me I must admit since I am not good at that,
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As women over 40, I was wondering if you all would mind sharing with me what you typically eat in a day and about how much. I don't know you all personally, so if you say that you eat a carton of ice cream each day, I won't care! Seriously though, my calibration for what a normal portion is and what healthy women my age actually eat in a given day may be helpful for me to start thinking correctly. (I suppose no one out there is eating a PBJ with the kids for lunch most days, for example and staying thin? ) If anyone would be so kind as to answer, that would be great, or if anyone was heavy and managed to lose the weight, how did you do it. And, how to juggle my very busy life as everyone's "lovey" while making a little "guilt-free" time for me to exercise. (Mom of 10)

Oh, BTW, I am nursing! My baby is 6 months old and only in the 30th percentile which is driving me crazy!! I have so much "love" to give so to speak, and he needs the fat, so I wish I could figure out how to give him more of me so to speak. Any advice on this? All of my other babies were 50th percentile and some were in the 99th so to speak! Real butterballs. Now, as I am reaching perimenopause perhaps, my milk supply ain't what it used to be! I have been giving him food (oatmeal etc) and then a little bit of formula each day because he looks healthy, but he doesn't look like he has enough fat stores in my opinion. (Doc says he is fine so far, but will see if he goes down any at next docs appt.)

Also, I thought I had heard something about salt being particularly bad for a woman over 40. Is this true? I have never been a heavy salter, but my husband salts our cooking like a blizzard with an actual salt container, not a shaker. I keep telling him that I cannot eat that much salt, but he keeps a-shakin' that shaker!! If I know that this is a serious consideration, I could just take my portion out prior to his salting since I do appreciate his cooking. (He will often help out with the frozen meals for the month if/when we do that, but sometimes they are so salty, I am reminded of brine. Great cook otherwise!! )

Hopefully not an odd question!!

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Posted: Aug 29 2011 at 9:26am | IP Logged Quote 10 Bright Stars

Also, just a quick aside, I do drink a lot of coffee each day. I do not add any sugar and just use a little bit of milk. Probably 3-4 cups each day. Does this negatively affect one's metabalism even if I do not add sugar etc. My two cups in the morning are stronger, wheras the two in the afternoon are weaker. I should just start drinking something else, but don't know what I would switch too. I do not like any of those powdered or artificial "diet" drinks such as Crystal Light etc. They make me get migraines. Thoughts? Sad that I am having to think so hard about something so stupid, but I was thinking perhaps this could be sabotoging things?

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I am having serious trouble losing my baby weight as well (and I wasn't that thin before I got pregnant the last time). My baby is 16 months and I have lost 25 of the 50 pounds I gained. I was taken off of exercise at 4 months and put on total bedrest for 3 months so the weight gain was intense.

While breastfeeding, my dr told me to try to stay around 2200 calories a day to lose weight. If you exercise A LOT, you will need more calories. Walking on a treadmill for 30 minutes will probably not make you need extra calories.

I am almost 35 so I can't speak to being over 40, but I also feel like I am more prone to injury. My body has been through a lot being pregnant and/or nursing for almost 5 years straight. I would do something gentle like walking or walk away the pounds DVD's. Have you ever tried those? They are excellent for easing back into working out.

I would say that drinking that much coffee cannot be good for you regardless of your age. The caffeine does enter breastmilk as well. I would aim for 1 cup a day or 2 cups of decaf. I know it will take awhile to wean off! I went cold turkey off of caffeine when I found I was pregnant the first time and I felt like I had the flu for almost a week. I have never really had caffeine regularly since because I never wanted to go through that again.

My biggest advice is to make sure you are getting enough sleep. The fresher you are, the more likely you are to eat right and exercise.

I would love to have a workout buddy to keep my accountable. Let me know if you are interested!

Oh, and weight watchers does have a points system for breastfeeding mothers. You might want to check that out. You can usually get a week or so for free so you could figure out how much you should be eating to lose weight!!!

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Posted: Aug 29 2011 at 10:06am | IP Logged Quote JodieLyn

I can't address the losing weight since I've been more or less pregnant since I turned 40

BUT babies are perfectly healthy at 30% or even 5%..

You probably need more water.. caffiene is a diuretic and may be keeping you somewhat dehydrated. And you can take some herbs like alfalfa to enrich your milk. You can take it as a tea but I'd get the tablets

Generally I'd say as far as portions that you'd need to eat until you just feel full.. and not until you're satisfied. Add lots of flavors and make sure you're getting good fats.. those two things will go a long way in helping you feel satisfied on a smaller portion.

Diet drinks are BAD BAD BAD.. do you know that most of the artificial sweeteners will make you crave more things so that while they may not have calories themselves you'll have a harder time regulating your intact of calories?

Water is the ideal diet drink since you need hydration to help both in producing milk and in losing the weight.

A bit of fruit juice in the water can give flavor and not too many calories. lemon of course.. but a strongly flavored juice concentrate can give some flavor with just a bit added to your cup.

If your back has healed.. get a good carrier like an ergo or mei tai and put your baby on your back (or front) and walk with him.

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Thanks for the advice and encouragement so far! It is refreshing to hear I am not alone. I would love to have a workout buddy, Kristine! I assume my enthusiasm will wane by this evening knowing me! I do have several workout DVD's I just bought, but wouldn't you know it, the kids broke the DVD player. No money for a new one right now.

Interesting about the alfalfa. I have never heard of that conncerning enriching the breastmilk, so that would be interesting to look into that. What does it do, and do you know how much a person should take normally?

I did wonder about the coffee and the baby. He is a pretty high maintenance baby, so maybe that is because he is jacked up on coffee. He doesn't sleep well during th daytime (sleep ALL night though) so maybe that is why. Poor fella. I will try to cut back and see if it makes a difference. My SIL recently just switched to green tea. I just need SOMETHING to drink. Perhaps I have a drinking problem.

Thank you for the tips about Weight Watchers. That might be a good source of information. I am just doing something wrong. I had thought about making my plate as if I was serving the little kids and just eating that for myself dinner portion,and I am doing completely different foods from the family for my "day". I do wonder about the calories though. Here is my food plan for today for example for my diet.

Food Plan for August 29, 2011

Breakfast: oatmeal with a drizzle of honey         & nbsp;        (check- did this)
One cup of coffee with mostly milk (1%) (check)

Mid-morning snack: bowl of peas with drizzle of olive oil     (skipped-too busy)

Lunch: Brown rice with olive oil and frozen, cooked veggies mixed in

Afternoon snack: 1 piece of whole wheat bread with 1 tbls. peanut butter/cup of tea with milk

Dinner: 1 bowl of cooked rice and red bean/turkey sausage (I put a little olive oil in this with cooking. We are switching from real butter to olive oil due to a health problem my husband has.)

No bedtime snack if possible. Hungry: try water and then a glass of warm milk

This is how I tend to "diet". I have to separate out what I am eating from what the family is eating. Probably not a long term plan, but oh well.

Oh well. My break is up! Must get back to life. Thank you for any thoughts you may have.


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Posted: Aug 29 2011 at 10:39am | IP Logged Quote 10 Bright Stars

Oh, and I was trying to do the 5-6 small meal plan as I read about last night. Perhaps I have TOO many meals? I was going to try to keep the portions down to a kid's sized portion.) I do tend to get famished with the nursing. Typically, in the past, if I needed a snack I would grab a half of a PBJ, mainl due to time constraints! Have this thing about peanut butter. Go figure.)

In the past, breakfast for me was normally either Great Grains Cereal or eggs and toast (cooked in butter of course) Lunch was usually mac-n-cheese I made for the kids homemade, again with butter!! or tuna fish sandwiches or something like that. Snack of a 1/2 PBJ in afternoon or a yogurt or grapes, dinner...meat/veggie and a starch, all made with butter, and then usually a bedtime snack. We did have dessert a few times a week, usually ice cream. So, that is what I used to eat, and I think it is really sloppy cooking with the butter, and way too much dairy perhaps and dessert at my age! I never ate real butter growing up, but ever since I married my husband, we used the real butter as he was in a speciall Fiengold diet as a kid and he could only eat the natural stuff.

Anyway, all a matter of making the better choice! No more Mrs. "Butter" ball since I think that is what has happened!! HAHA!

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Well, I'm not over forty, so feel free to pretend I am not here.

First, I just wanted to throw out this source. He is a neurosurgeon and his writing is geeky, but the information is fascinating regarding leptin. His article Why Is Oprah Still Fat? is a good overview of his ideas. With a family history of illnesses such as Type II diabetes and Thyroid disease, we are trying to adopt some of his recommendations which seem to echo traditional wisdom such as the old English saying, "Breakfast like a king, Lunch like a Lord, and Dine like a pauper." And, I might add, good fat helps one feel satiated, so your butter might not be your worst enemy.

Also, what initially grabbed my attention was your saying your baby is a screamer and you have to be right near him. My almost six month old has been a different baby since I went on an elimination diet! He SLEEPS. Crazy. Seriously, I'd consider eliminating some of the major irritants like dairy and soy. I think dairy is the biggest problem, but it also seems that chocolate    and bananas are issues. I've limited my coffee to one cup a day since coffee can be a real irritant.

Anyway, I was holding onto the baby weight until I finally reconciled myself to the fact that I needed to see if my diet was affecting my baby. I tell you, the weight is melting off without dairy (even trace amounts as an ingredient!). It is MUCH easier to say "no" to certain foods when I know they are hurting my baby and making him need me so exclusively 24/7. I accidentally had dairy (how on earth do you "accidentally eat a bowl of yogurt after a month of eliminating dairy??? What can I say, it was early in the morning) for the first time in a month last week, and he was back to his previous fussiness/neediness/spittiness for days and actually broke out into a rash for the first time It was so clear that my eating that affected him.

I went on a very strict elimination diet (think turkey, pears, and sweet potatoes) and still haven't added back in soy or gluten and a few of the more problematic fruits in addition to the dairy. I wanted to *know*, and it can take 3 weeks for proteins/irritants to work their way out of your system and baby's.

I hope you find some solutions that work for you.




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Lindsey,

Well, husband home for the day...no power here or at work. (We have a generator.) So, he is taking over school so I am back to you all!

Such an interesting suggestion, Lindsay. What makes me think you might be on to something is that, as I mentioned, my baby screams a lot unless I am holding him. He also drools, A LOT! NOT ONE of my others babies has ever drooled. Not even when they were teething! Also, he has recently started screaming at the breast. He will turn his head and arch his back, esp. on one side for some reason, but now he is doing the other one as well! I wondered if it was a let-down issue, something I struggle with being tense from life being so overwhelming, probably too much coffee, and a screaming baby at the breast! So, I will try cutting out all dairy and see if this helps. I have also limited my caffeine intake today and have substituted green tea. Thank you for the tips.

I was also talking to a friend who called at lunch and I mentioned this thread. She commented on my peanut butter addiction, since I think it actually IS an addiction. (So much so that I somtimes will get hives after I eat peanut butter!!! ) She said peanut butter IS a good food, but to switch to natural peanut butter because the Jif that I use is mainly made of the same type of oil one would find in Crisco. !!!!! I didn't know that, so going to make the switch to that.

Thank you all SO much for the encouragement. I hope others will continue to share since this can be so annoying at this age!

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Oh, and thanks for the Oprah link. Will check into that. Also, as far as baby screaming at feedings, I DO think there are problems with, not necc. supply now that I am over 40, but with something. My last baby refused to nurse AT ALL and I had to completely switch to formula as he was actually failing to thrive at the breast! Due to having a very disagreeable doctor at the hospital who forced me to not nurse at all, even with the bottle supplements, I was not able to continue nursing him at all. BUT, maybe there was an allergy issue with dairy with him. When I am pregnant, I am so ill for the first few months that I practically LIVE on cheese, yogurt, more chese and yogurt. Cheesesticks...You get the picture. Maybe since my pregnancies are worse each time now, I tend to eat more and more dairy, and make them allergic to it or something! Worth a shot, and like you said, perhaps I will lose weight as a bonus.

********* One important question though: IF I eliminate dairy, what should I take or do to replace the calcium I won't be getting? I recently started taking Omega-3 chews, Vitamin D supplements and then the pre-natal. Should I take something else? *****************

Also, if dieting and sort of restricting this and that, should one just automatically take an extra iron?

Thanks!!!!!

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Yes... fat is not the enemy.. here's an article a friend posted.. you can watch the video or there's supposed to be a transcript you can read.

What if it's all been a Big Fat Lie by Gary Taubes on Dr. Mercola's site. I'm passing this one because the same friend mentioned that Gary Taubes book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" goes through huge amounts of research and that the research just isn't there for "eating fat = gaining weight".

But anyway.. it should be interesting information considering your questions.

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Posted: Aug 29 2011 at 1:19pm | IP Logged Quote JodieLyn

oh and just give me until the new year and I will probably be joining you in trying to lose weight gently.

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hmm what omega 3 chews??? I need more info there.. the source my midwife recommends is really hard on me.

I would recommend a B-complex (it makes a HUGE HUGE difference in how I feel) and probably a calcium.. just take the calcium seperate from the prenatals.. the iron in the prenatals and the extra calcium block each other. I typically take prenatals at meals and the calcium at bed. I usually get a liquid calcium and you'll want an organic form.. like Calcium Citrate (also ascorbate or malate).

I would be sure to be taking a good quality (with higher levels) prenatal as well.. you'd be surprised at the difference if you're not already doing that. Rainbow Light Complete Prenatal System would be an example of the type I mean. There's several different ones out there.

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Well, I will share a bit. I am 43 and have 7 children including one still nursing--20 month old. A year ago my hubby wanted to try and get in shape and I committed to doing the P90x workout program with him. We did not do the diet but it did take off a lot of inches and I am in pretty good shape--but still have the gut that says I have birthed 7 cuties. If I exercise 5-6 times a week with that program I can eat a lot to be honest and be at an okay weight but can't get my BMI down to 25 % or less nor get to my ideal weight.   Also, I am not going to be able to wake up at the crack of dawn and exercise that much so I am going back to less exercising--walking and such. If I walk 4 times a week, keep my calories at or under 1700 (which is very doable even with nursing), cut out diet soda except occasionally and cut out daily ice cream and treats (yes it is summer and I am being honest--I have been indulging!) I can get my weight down. So we will see...focus on being healthy and try to have someone to pray for everytime you are focusing too much on your self--it can easily wrap into a pride issue and just make you feel worse. Yours for seeing ourselves like God does and treating our bodies like a sanctuary where Christ dwells.

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Kim, I am 48 and still working on losing all the baby fat, but my youngest is now 7.

One lesson I have learned is to make the walking a priority. The other thing I have done, without any other big changes, has been to increase the fiber in my diet. I have noticed considerable changes in my ability to lose weight since I started doing that.

Question about your babe- is the 30% where he's always been, or has he been trending down?

With my last, I was extremely tired, not sure if it was an age thing, and found I wasn't producing as much milk as I'd done with my older boys. It also didn't seem as ... creamy? when I'd express and save for a bottle. I did nurse him until he was one, but I also used formula as a supplement. (He had started dropping his weight, although his length had stayed on the original curve-and now, 7 years later,he's still on that same curve, 99% height and 95% weight.) Your ped. sounds like he is watching this, so I would try not to worry. (Easier said than done, I know!)

My thyroid level is on the high end of normal, and both my mum and grandmother had to take synthroid later in life. Definitely need to keep watching that!

I know how hard it is with the baby and feeling just bleh! about yourself. I'd start with just one little thing you can change. Does your baby like walks? Are you are in a neighborhood with sidewalks?; you could just walk back and forth along the block, holding him so he doesn't get upset, for however long your arms hold out!, and then stop. Build up a little every few weeks. You may not be walking the miles you want, but at least you are doing something physical, getting outside, and maybe that will help you feel a bit better.

In the meantime, I will pray for you and your little boy!

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I have found I can do a fairly brisk walk with our baby in my Moby Wrap, she loves the snuggle on those days where she doesn't want to be put down. Other days I walk with her in the stroller when she doesn't mind, it gives my boduy a break from the extra weight during exercise. I have found that for me I gain more and retain more after girl pregnancies, something about the hormones. I'm only 31, and have had more trouble shedding the pounds this time. I *have* lost some weight and inches, just not as fast. Sorry, I have no working answers in the diet realm, I don't really diet. I don't eat a terrible diet, and try to avoid a lot of sweets, chips, etc. but I don't avoid them altogether.

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UGH - How about when approaching 50! Anyway, right now my problem is motivation. Motivation to get walking and stay strict with eating. My best times in the past losing weight - I followed the rule of about 5 smaller meals. Each meal had a healthy protein and carb plus adding leafy veggies. I would try to plan out my eating the night before so there was no decision making during the day. Now, I need to follow what I preach here and just do it!!!
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Posted: Sept 16 2011 at 8:18am | IP Logged Quote mamaslearning

What a great thread! I'm just now 40 and need to lose about 30 pounds, so I'm watching this with eagerness.

I too am frustrated that I actually have to do something "painful" like diet. In the past, all I had to do was give up something like sodas for a week and I could shed 5 pounds easily. Now I think it's going to take real commitment and work.   

(Just a quick thought on the baby - all my babes are on the low end (10th - 20th percentile) but they all keep the curve going as the grow. So, even at 7 years old, my dd is still in the lower percentiles, but is very healthy. Also, the chart your doc is using might be for formula fed infants (which tend to weigh a bit more than exclusively breastfed infants).)

Anyway, back to weightloss! In the example of food you gave, it didn't appear to have much protein. Oatmeal, peas, rice, veges, and PB ---- the only protein was late in the afternoon. You need the protein to build muscle and keep you sustained (esp. with nursing). A high carb diet is not for me. I need lots of protein to keep my blood sugar in check (I'm not diabetic, but react to low's throughout the day). Maybe your body is holding onto the weight because it's in starvation mode? Starving for nutrients not calories?

Good Luck!

Edited to fix spelling since I'm NAK with a squirmy 1 yo!

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Posted: Sept 16 2011 at 8:29am | IP Logged Quote SusanMc

I'm posting mostly to get the updates. I'm approaching 40 myself and find that diet is SO much more important to keeping weight in check. I can't just jog for a week and cut out sodas anymore.

But just a reminder that in the "percentile" model SOMEONE has to be below 50% or the whole chart would just shift upwards. As mentioned above, trending is the more accurate figure to look at. I overheard a pediatrician once say to a mom that he liked all of his patients to be in the 50 percentile or above, and I just had to shake my head at the wrongheadedness of it all.

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Kim I have a dear friend who had to do a pretty dramatic weight loss because of diabetes. She had 6 children and had gestational diabetes each time and it's really caught up with her even though her last baby was 4 years ago.

I'm going to pm you her email to me about her very specific way of eating. But just by eating, by NO exercise, she lost 65 pounds and she didn't feel starved. For her it's all about eating less carbs.

Since the beginning of summer I've been running outside at least 3 times per week and logging about 10 miles a week. I also have some tennis dates with hubby. I have only lost 5 pounds! I'm so bummed because after my 5th child (I have 8) I ran and stopped drinking soda and having dessert and just doing that I lost 25 pounds. This...nothing now! UGH!

A friend of mine has been running for about a year and has been doing WW online and I think she has lost over 30 pounds. So I think that is the way I'm headed.

Right now the WW online program has a small special of buy 3 months and get the 4th free. My mom has had good luck with WW meetings, but I just don't have time to get to those, plus online is cheaper ;-)

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Posted: Sept 16 2011 at 2:04pm | IP Logged Quote stacykay

KackyK wrote:
Kim I have a dear friend who had to do a pretty dramatic weight loss because of diabetes. She had 6 children and had gestational diabetes each time and it's really caught up with her even though her last baby was 4 years ago.

I'm going to pm you her email to me about her very specific way of eating. But just by eating, by NO exercise, she lost 65 pounds and she didn't feel starved. For her it's all about eating less carbs.

...Right now the WW online program has a small special of buy 3 months and get the 4th free. My mom has had good luck with WW meetings, but I just don't have time to get to those, plus online is cheaper ;-)


I was wondering if your friend is eating a South Beach type diet? I had gestational diabetes my last two pregnancies and have quite the challenge with losing weight after them. Someone suggested South Beach, so I wondered about that.

Also, how do you like the online ww? Does it take much time? I have been hesitant to look into it, as I have been attempting to cut computer time.

Thanks!

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Posted: Sept 20 2011 at 10:02pm | IP Logged Quote Angie Mc

Chiming in late and running out of computer time but want to share what works for me to keep me at my ideal weight:

I don't eat past 7:00.
I eat my largest meal at 9:00 am.
Lunch at 1:00 and light meal around 6:00.
I have a small glass of wine at dinner or evening.
I take vitamins, enzymes, and omega oils.
I eat less than when I was younger.
I move all.day.long.
I do TTapp 15 minutes most days.

ETA: I've had best results by focusing on helping my sluggish digestive track, eating healthy/whole foods, eating small portions, and enjoying small treats to avoid feeling deprived.

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