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Is it back in print?
Or was it always available?
Cooking for Christ
by Florence Berger
I love the subtitle: "Your Kitchen Prayerbook"!
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It's in print, but it's revised.
IMHO, it's revised terribly. Huge chunks of text were removed, recipes all updated.
It's terribly, terribly disappointing.
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I checked at Abe Books online. They have the original - $125.00 
Looks like it can be tracked down, but at a rare book price.
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I love the original copy I have, but I wouldn't pay $125 for it! There are wonderful online resources today like Catholic Cuisine (with its awesome new header!! Thanks, Jessica!!) that fill the need to have good family recipes correlated with the liturgical year.
It is really so disappointing when these older texts are edited to "update" them...There was so much real content and such a simple approach in the older cookbooks. No need for unusual or expensive ingredients, no need to rush out to purchase all kinds of extra pots, pans, and utensils! And the approach to the faith was much more direct and prayful, and that is the real benefit of these books--to expose us all to a more genuine, contented, and less materialistic view. It inspires me to re-evaluate my attitudes toward my own "domestic church" responsibilities.
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Keep your eyes out, as copies do occasionally come up. I buy whenever I see it.
The edited parts were disappointing...I can give you a taste of what was changed if you would like to do a comparison.
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Thank you all for clarifying!
I do already have the "real" edition and I love it!
 Thanks, Jenn! (My dad went ahead and mailed it to me)
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JennGM wrote:
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I was the VERY fortunate recipient of one of those finds. 
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People know my friends by their books on their shelves from me, I guess.
I looked over again comparing the original with the reprinted revision. The recipes were definitely changed in many places. Perhaps they are an improvement, but standards always change, so in my opinion, isn't it better to keep something as it was written, and let the person in whatever time (and healthy mood) they live in change the recipe the way they want it to be?
Otherwise, the text editing is here and there...some omissions that make me sad. I think the flavor of the book is still there, but not as powerful.
For instance, this passage has always come back to me over and over again:
Florence Berger wrote:
| One of the saddest complaints I ever heard came from a mother at a Family Life Conference. She couldn't stand her teen-age daughter messing in the kitchen. The daughter had ideas of preparing food differently, and she was just in the way. As a result the mother's kitchen was very tidy, but her daughter's emotions were in a clutter. Christ means parents to be teachers. A child can learn best by doing. If our homes were real workshops, with Christ as the manager, the parents as foremen and the children as workers, we would educate more mature Christians. |
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I read this when I was a teenager, working with my siblings, teaching them to cook. I found it applied to me then, as it did later as an educator, and now as a wife and mother.
But I think some might thing that paragraph is offensive? It's not in the new revision.
Here's another one that was almost completely removed. Bolded is what was omitted.
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| You will find traditions very easy to begin again with children. When they are grown men and women, they will be loath to cast them aside. Most American families threw their spiritual and social traditions into the sea when they left Europe. They no longer wished to appear Dutch or French or Swedish — so they left you and me without a background. We did get Thanksgiving for a feast day, but look at what we gave up. |
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But they did keep this great paragraph in its entirety:
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| Being American Catholic, we can choose the best of the cultures of all the nations of the world and make them ours in Christ. We can call the songs, the stories, the dances and the foods of all peoples our own because in our American heritage there is blood and bone and spirit of these different men and women. If America is a melting pot, it can also be a cooking pot from which we women can serve up a Christian culture. |
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Jenn, I think those edits are very interesting. Maybe this is a conversation for another forum, but it seems as if it is considered a positive value to be able to pick the "best of the cultures of all the nations.." and yet not a positive value to cherish our own culture? Or maybe the editors felt it was a little too narrow (only Northern European? But that's probably Mrs. Berger's background). That is, there seems to be a lack of appreciate of the fact that it is important to preserve our own heritage's spiritual and cultural practices. If we do not pass these on, then how will future generations have such a wealth to choose from? I know there is a general thought that it is not a good thing to value our own heritages, but why not? Just because we appreciate our own backgrounds does not mean we are looking down our noses at other cultures. I personally do not like to think that we should all be just alike!
As far as the other paragraph, maybe the idea that children are "workers" found some objection? That's also not a very common notion today (except in homeschooling circles  ) Too bad! Depriving children of the sense of contribution they derive from working in the home is depriving them of their sense of belonging and importance.
Thanks for posting those edits. Also, I agree that historical cookbooks should BE historical! Let modern cooks individually do the adjusting...old recipes are valuable on their own merit. My favorite cookbook is a collection of just such old-world recipes. It's OOP, but worth looking for if you like authentic, peasant European cooking (not specifically Catholic, but many recipes were, of course, influenced by the Catholic faith of the people. So, for example, there are Lenten dishes included):
Old World Kitchen
I see there are a few copies at Amazon for around $12. I hope this is the same one I have; the cover is different, but the author is the same.
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stellamaris wrote:
My favorite cookbook is a collection of just such old-world recipes. It's OOP, but worth looking for if you like authentic, peasant European cooking (not specifically Catholic, but many recipes were, of course, influenced by the Catholic faith of the people. So, for example, there are Lenten dishes included):
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Thanks for that recommendation! We think in a similar way! My Italian cookbooks are full of feast day recipes, as are my French, Dutch, etc.
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Just watch out for those recipes with sheep stomachs! Sort of hard to find at the modern grocery store  !
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Bumping this, as Amy Welborn had recently talked about Cooking for Christ. Of course, I had to comment!
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