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How much stock do you hold in intuition when it comes to your health and the health of your family? I ask this because a friend and I were talking last night about my recent miscarriage. She said how suprised she was with me for all of the testing I've had done. I am usually very much against any blood draws/ultrasounds/etc... and way more for allow things to take their course. In the past when I have miscarried, even up to 11 weeks, I just let things run their course at home, with contact with my midwife. Ultrasounds and blood draws never crossed my mind. (well, once I did the blood draw thing, it was a weird situation with my midwife that I won't get into here, but even with strong HCG levels, we lost that baby)
But this time, from the moment I took the pregnancy test, I knew something was very different about this pregnancy. When I was full on bleeding, I knew I was still pregnant and that the baby was hanging on. The second day of heavy bleeding I poured myself a glass of wine, took one sip, and thought better of it, even though I thought for sure I was miscarrying, something was nagging at me to take care of myself and the baby.
That is why I opted for the blood tests and then the ultrasound. The way I bled last Thursday, I thought there was no way a baby could thrive with all of that, still, something was telling me to remain positive and hang in there, and do everything I can to take care of the baby, which I thought for sure had passed. Had I not had the ultrasound, I would've have thought the baby was gone and I was no longer pregnant. It's truly not 'me' to run to the ultrasound institute or lab. It's almost as if 'something' pushed me.
When I reflect on this miscarriage, and compare it to the others, I can't make any sense of it. All that I feel is very very protective of the little one I am still carrying.
Maybe intuition is not the right word, it sounds a bit hokey. I have been on my knees praying for guidence so many times, and I know I've been led by Our Lady. (Our Lady of La Leche has been such a powerful intercessor for me for the past 2 years.)
How have any of you felt guided through prayer concerning health issues? I'm just amazed at the obvious intercession throughout this ordeal for me.
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Lisa,
Last year, before I had told anyone I was pregnant (before anyone told me I was pregnant  ),Mary Ellen posted that she was expecting twins. I read her post and thought, "Me, too." I was 8 days pregnant. We lost a twin later, but at that point, there were two live babies. It was the weirdest thing. I think there's a lot to be said for intuition.
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Oh, yes. I call it the Holy Spirit, my guardian angel, but sometimes you just know when something is wrong, different, a sense.
On a somber note, I just attended a funeral this Saturday, and the daughter told me the whole circumstances of her mother's death. The thread of her story kept repeating this sense of knowing that something was different. She managed to call her siblings, and each was able to either come or call before her mother suddenly died in the ER.
It's a blessing to have that little voice...and more of a blessing to listen to it!
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Phew! I don't feel so odd now, thanks for sharing that Elizabeth. My mother-in-law pointed out to me that I had 3 souls about me, and 3 gaurdian angels, how could I not feel guided?
Jenn, that's a really neat (yet somber) story. How wonderful that eveyone was able to say goodbye.
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From what I understand, a lot of intuition can be scientifically explained as the result of processing of real information, even if we're not aware of all the observations that lead us to the conclusion our "intuition" suggests. So in a case like you describe, there is probably something factually different and there is an awareness of it, but it's not right in front of you in a way that's easy to describe.
I'm not at all discounting people being directly nudged by God or guardian angels here. The important thing for me to clarify to myself, so that I could accept my "mother's intuition" where appropriate alongside doctor's advice, guidelines from reference books/Web sites etc., was that "intuition" isn't some New Agey thing.
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insegnante wrote:
From what I understand, a lot of intuition can be scientifically explained as the result of processing of real information, even if we're not aware of all the observations that lead us to the conclusion our "intuition" suggests. So in a case like you describe, there is probably something factually different and there is an awareness of it, but it's not right in front of you in a way that's easy to describe.
I'm not at all discounting people being directly nudged by God or guardian angels here. The important thing for me to clarify to myself, so that I could accept my "mother's intuition" where appropriate alongside doctor's advice, guidelines from reference books/Web sites etc., was that "intuition" isn't some New Agey thing. |
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I think it's a combination of all sorts of things. It's called "Mother's Intuition" or "Sixth Sense" sometimes. I have also found that I'm more keenly aware of what my mother, husband or son is thinking or feeling before they have to say anything.
It could be faster processing of data presented. There's a label of "Highly Sensitive". But my mother and I discussed at long lengths what we thought it was. It's going to sound a little nutty, but I truly believe that the spiritual world is more tangible and more involved in our daily lives. It just takes extra quiet and vision to see and hear. And my reasoning behind this is reading saints' lives and early Church and medieval histories, where the spiritual lives are intertwined more closely and almost inseparably with physical daily lives.
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I listen to my gut, my intuition, 6th sense, or whatever you want to call it.
In fact, there is no doubt in my mind that Bridget would have been stillborn or seriously hurt if I hadn't listened to it. I felt like a complete idiot for haivng had so many pregnancies and not knowing if I should go into the hospital or not. Even afterwards, no one can understnad why I felt I had to go, but everyone agrees it's a good thing I did. My only regret is not "listening" sooner. I vacilitated back and forth for about 24 hours before her birth because of lack of confidence in my gut instinct and being unable to pin point why I felt that way.
That said, I've been in just as bad situations and felt completely calm with less intervention when others would have been terribly worried. Is that gut instinct in reverse? Does it only apply for thinking something feels wrong or does it also apply when things feel liek they are going to be okay?
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Martha wrote:
| That said, I've been in just as bad situations and felt completely calm with less intervention when others would have been terribly worried. Is that gut instinct in reverse? Does it only apply for thinking something feels wrong or does it also apply when things feel liek they are going to be okay? |
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I think both!
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insegnante wrote:
| From what I understand, a lot of intuition can be scientifically explained as the result of processing of real information, even if we're not aware of all the observations that lead us to the conclusion our "intuition" suggests. |
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The book Blink deals with this idea. But the caveat is that the "instinct" works when you are in a situation where you are already an expert. It was an interesting read.
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A few years ago I went to a self-defense class - the police officers started off by saying that the best defense was "the hairs on the back of our neck" - that if we feel uncomfortable about a person or situation to run from it as fast as we can.
I think of intuition as "the still small voice of God" and my Guardian Angel - I will often be able to figure out situations or people without knowing how.
Re intuition and twins - when I was expecting the twins I did not find out until about 11 weeks that it was twins. I was lying on the couch one evening about 9 weeeks into the pregnancy when my then 2 year old daughter came up and hugged my belly and said "mommy - you have two babies in your tummy". I did not really think about it until I saw the two little guys in the sonogram....
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I have had a number of situations where I have just known something that I would have had no reason to know. One example that stands out is when my grandfather died. He had been sick/bedridden for a couple of years, but I had no news that he had gotten worse or anything. He was in Baltimore, I was in New Haven. You can be quite certain I was not thinking about my grandfather when I tell you that this happened in the middle of the bar exam. I got up to go to the ladies' room at 12:35. As I walked along the hallway, I had a sudden flash of a thought that my grandfather had just died. The next night, my husband told me my mother had telephoned him at work to tell him my grandfather had passed away. She had asked that he wait until after the exam to tell me so that I wouldn't mess up the exam. My husband was supposed to be on call that night, so when he came home I was surprised/confused. When he told me the news, I asked, "When?" "12:35, yesterday."
I assume it was a preparatory message from the Holy Spirit, so that I wouldn't fall apart when I heard. But I know for certain that it was not some kind of unconscious processing of information I just didn't realize I had heard.
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I really trust my intuition, especially when it comes to meeting people who make my neck hairs stand up and my guts recoil. I've only had this happen a few times in my life, but it's really, really apparent when I shouldn't have anything to do with someone. (At first I felt badly about this because I really try to meet people with an open mind and welcoming heart, but...)
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guitarnan wrote:
I really trust my intuition, especially when it comes to meeting people who make my neck hairs stand up and my guts recoil... (At first I felt badly about this because I really try to meet people with an open mind and welcoming heart, but...)
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I know what you mean. I'm the same way, ESPECIALLY when my children are around.
And, if my children are around? I can tell by their actions/attitudes if they like the person. I seem to remember an old quote about kids and dogs knowing a good person from a bad person?....probably because they are listening to their Guardian Angel more than I am....
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PaulaL wrote:
I know what you mean. I'm the same way, ESPECIALLY when my children are around.
And, if my children are around? I can tell by their actions/attitudes if they like the person. I seem to remember an old quote about kids and dogs knowing a good person from a bad person?....probably because they are listening to their Guardian Angel more than I am....
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Well, I certainly wouldn't discount Guardian Angels, and I'm not trying to be the contrary voice here on this thread, but I read -- it may have been in The Gift of Fear by Gavin DeBecker -- that when dogs seem to like or not to like people, it's usually because of how their trusted owners are reacting, consciously or otherwise, to the same signals of trustworthiness or lack thereof. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same with small children. Grownups may just have more "I shouldn't be so suspicious/should give this person more of a chance" thoughts running through their head counter to the sense that a certain person might bring trouble. But their body language may not be affected too much by their thoughts, and may still speak loudly to their kids and their dogs.
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I have a good friend who's 4 yr old boy is alive today because she acted on that feeling of something being wrong rather than what was apparent. He was born with a heart defect that is usually detected no later than at birth.. those that are missed rarely survive. The arteries going into the heart are switched.. so the blood cycles through the lungs.. and the blood cycles through the body.. but they don't do both like they should.
Anyway, there was nothing that was apparently that much of a problem.. but when he was several days old.. she did take him into the doctor specially.. and this doctor caught the problem.. and the doctors verified that there was nothing that should have told her there was a problem.. that by the time there was a real identifiable problem it was usually too late.
They went in quickly and got used a "little balloon" to hold open the hole in the heart that newborns have (and that naturally closes after birth).. it was a bit slow on closing and that's why he was ok.. they ended up doing open heart surgery to put the arteries right.. and he's doing fine.. gets checked occationally but shouldn't ever need any additional surgery.
But it all comes down to there was something that no one could put their finger on that told her to take him in.
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I've run into it alot because I seem to be a bit of an intuitive thinker.. class on logic in college and I would always be able to tell when something was not logical.. but often not get the reason right. But there's the point.. many things aimed at making us think "logically" because anything else isn't reliable.
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Dear Lisa,
I had a similar experience with my 4th child Anthony. About a year before he was born I lost my wedding ring and couldn't find it despite have looked for weeks on end in the grass where I had lost it. We also got a friend with a gold detector to go over the same area to with out any luck - we looked high and low.
My husband and I prayed very hard to St Anthony to help us find it. During this period my husband also lost his wallet at a supermarket with all our money and cards inside so we added finding his wallet to our prays - to no avail.
After about a week or two we added a promise to St Anthony that if our next child was a boy we would name him Anthony if he would help us find the two items.
Well I can't remember how long it was but an older gentleman rang one night to tell us that he had found my husbands wallet with everything inside. Where he had found it was on the stairs of our local supermarket where it must have slipped out of his pocket and where hundreds of people walk passed everyday a minor miracle that it was pick up by someone so honest. Then close to that I found my wedding ring sitting on a patch of grass that we were sure that we had covered.
Anyway I did fall pregnant soon after that and with in a couple of weeks started to bleed. Seeing my local doctor ASAP he told us that the baby had died and that I was probably going to miscarry. On the Saturday I was bleeding excessively and some friends took me up to the hospital where the doctors told me that I had miscarried our baby and they wanted to do a curette. I didn't believe them and said that my baby was still alive and I wasn't going through with anything until I had an ultrasound. The Monday even though I was still bleeding heavily I went for an ultrasound and there was this perfectly formed little bean with a very strong beating little heart.
I think St Anthony guided us and God gave me the intuition to know that my baby was alive and well. St Anthony wanted his promise to be fulfilled and it was to our joy and gratitude. He was born on the 14th of July a day before the feast of St Bonaventure and weighed 9lbs 12 1/2 oz, big. His middle name is Bonaventure after another great Franciscan which also means "good fortune" - Which God had given us.
Sorry this is so long winded.
God Bless
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What a blessed story for a blessed child!
Thank you for sharing, it has touched my heart.
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