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I didn't see this posted anywhere else. If so, please forgive me. I was making a quick scan.
ABC Nightline is running a special entitled A Full Quiver tonight.
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Ooh, Sharon, thank you for the head's up!
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Thanks for the info, I'll set my VCR
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Thanks for the heads up, I will probably be up since I just finished up a yummy chai.
I read the article you linked, and I found this statement:
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There are certainly a lot of question about the practice. Is it dangerous for a woman's body to keep having children, one after the other?
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to be really odd coming from such a secular force that supports a womans right to 'choose' even when those choices can cause her all kinds of physical and emotional danger!
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Did anyone else watch this? Poor mom, she was suffering a toothache and was obviously not feeling well, but dad did a whopper of a job standing his ground and being charitable! My husband watched it with me and a few times I heard him mumble an expletive under his breath in response to the reporters "question" I also heard him say "You GO Dad!"
They tried to make is sound so 'new'. There was a mainstream Christian pasture saying it was just a case of American excess and God really doesn't want married couples having so many children. 
Overall it was a good segment. Dh and I both agreed what a shame it is that big families are not associated with Catholics any longer. It's part of the Catholic identity that has been stripped away from us. Sad.
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ACK! I just read the discussion from the link above, not nice at all...
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What did happen to the Catholic views on this, I mean the Church has never changed her stand on the matter.lol And It really isn't all that new of a practice in my opionion. This kind of angered me.
I also looked at the discussion just now and it really upset me. Those same people scream about freedom of choice but then they want to rip away my freedom to have children. Which is completely natural.lol And this is for Adam sitting next to me asking to put this in my letter.lol 
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I read that discussion too and that reporter was so hostile. Like people who have big families are crazy or something. Didn't most families in the past have big families? Doesn't anyone think that if God wanted us to use birth control, he would have mentioned that somewhere? It really is so sad that big families have to defend themselves when cooperating with God's blessings is the way He intended life to be for us. I missed the actual show, was it as hostile to the family as the article was?
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Speaking only from my own experience I have to say that I think the church needs to consistantly teach all of the truths. Educational programs should not be watered down at any level. If you don't come from a wonderful faithfilled family like the ones here on this list ... who is to teach you? I am a convert to the faith from age 18. I did not go through an RCIA program at the college I attended - only an informal Q&A so to speak w/ the priest there - I didn't even know what RCIA was until MANY years later. Looking back I did not have a clue what questions to ask so really only got a "surface" education in the faith. dh and I were not required to attend precana as we met with this priest as a couple and he personally counseled us. We were never told that birth control was against the church's teachings or about God's plan for a true Catholic marriage. We were only asked if we wanted a family - well sure I wanted my 2.4 kids and a dog, and a career etc.
I didn't really begin to meet any mom's from large Catholic families until 16 years later and boy have I been blessed since. What I have learned in the past 8 years is unbelievable and the impact these faith filled people have had on our family is indescribable - but I have to admit there were times when I thought "where was all this information years ago? Why didn't anyone ever tell me?". I'm not sure if this is even making my point - I just think that we can be a voice - one family at a time but the Catholic Church needs to be a LOUD voice - with consistant teaching. (I am not talking about the Pope's teaching or the existing teachings of the church - I am talking about at the passing on of this information at the level of the parish etc.) I know that we on this list are doing our best to raise strong faith filled children - but what about the 18 year olds out there who have alcoholic parents, and/or divorced parents, and/or only one sibling (who by the way never speaks to his sister because she has become some "religious freak"  . When these people find their way to the church - they need to be taught.
We cannot expect the press to "get it" when there could be a whole lot of Catholics out there who don't truly know. Sad but true - I was one of those Catholics for a very long time. 
I hope I have not offended or said anything inappropriate - please know that I have a hard time expressing myself in writing and all of this has been said with good intentions.
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mommylori wrote:
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I remember reading something recently (I keep thinking it was in the Vatican II documents) that said where the Church (meaning individuals within the Church not Holy Mother Church herself) has been lax in teaching on a certain subject it is often the laity who bring such teachings to the forefront. I think we are certainly seeing this!
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I so agree, I had a lady a few years ago who exsplained it all to me. I knew they where against BC but not what all that met! She was a Catholic with a big family. She actually got in an argument at RCIA though because the Priest was informing people that the church changed it's mind and you could now use BC . I know she really made some people upset when she pulled out the Catachism and corrected everyone on that matter.
I love how Mother Theresa expressed large families, How can you say there are too many children that is like saying there are too many flowers. And also the one about stopping abortion by having large families.
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I read this too, and it's so disturbing how hostile some people are to the idea of big families. Not just "gee, great for them, but NOT for me," but actually comparing the Quiverful families to the Taliban!  
Where is the "tolerance" that's supposed to be extended to all? Oh, I forgot that it doesn't have to be extended to Christians....
I was just telling my sister that we are starting to have our first real exposure to the negative attitudes toward "big" families. I consider us to be at the 'start' of a big family, IF God decides to bless us further after this baby is born in a couple of months. After our daughter was born, and we had 1 boy and 1 girl, we did receive a lot of comments that we could stop because now we had one of each. Not too many comments with #3, but #4 seems to have opened the floodgates. I guess the fact that I almost always have all my kids with me makes it more noticeable, but the comments are disconcerting.
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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound like everyone should know that BC is bad. I went through RCIA too and did not hear a thing about any of this in there. When I found out later, I felt the same way, like why was I never told this? I just meant that being hostile to large families was so strange in light of the fact that for so long most families were large. And that reporter treated that family like they were aliens and doing something wrong. I think what Michele said about the laity bringing these issues to the forefront is so true. I guess we have to be the loud ones about the truth, even if we aren't actually yelling, just living our lives.
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