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Cay Gibson
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Posted: March 09 2006 at 12:39pm \| IP Logged

Has anyone read or perused Leonardo da Vinci by Kathleen Krull.

I was going to order it through our book club but I see in the index (if you click on the book at Amazon) that the Catholic Church is mentioned in the book.

I'd like to know how the Church is referenced and would definitely not want to order anything that is anti-Catholic or even inappropriately references the church since my younger children would be reading it.

My library doesn't have it available.

Thank you for any heads-up.

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Posted: March 19 2006 at 10:30am \| IP Logged

Cay -- I got it out of the library. Here are the references to the Catholic Church:

"The all-powerful Catholic Church was a beacon of light and learning in Europe in the Middle Ages. But non-believers were often brutally persecuted."

"All his life, the more he learned about the workings of the world, the more respect he had for the mind of God. 'The Creator does not make anything superfluous or defective,' he marveled. Still, he could be critical of church practices and didn't become a regular churchgoer, following his beliefs in his own way instead."

Re: his coded left-handed writing --
"Or was this eccentricity a function of his fear of scrutiny? Sometimes his work challenged church teachings. That could be dangerous."

"Also, by 1515, no books could be printed in many regions without church permission, and he may have dreaded the process of censoring his notebooks in order to satisfy others."

"From 1513 to 1516, Leonardo lived in Rome with the pope for a patron. Pope Leo X, the son of Lorenzo de'Medici, installed him in a comfortable suite of rooms in the Belvedere Palace inside the Vatican....Best of all, he was able to use his position to get church permission to do autopsies at San Spirito Hospital. He said they were necessary in the cause of improving his art. He continued doing dissections until an appalled assistant assigned by the pope accused him of conjuring spirits of the dead for evil purposes. Not wanting bad publicity the pope banned Leonardo from the hospital.

"At the same time (he was near death), he was thinking more about his faith. Certain church practices had bothered him, especially the selling of indulgences -- a way to receive pardon for one's sins in return for giving the church money. In 1517, the year Leonardo moved to France, Martin Luther condemned this same practice in Germany. Thus began the Protestant Reformation -- and more than a century of violent wars over which religion would get a person to heaven."

There are other references, but those are the primary ones -- basically she mentoions that the power of the Church potentially censored scientists and Leonardo was never a church-goer (although Pope Leo was his patron!). She implies or uses conjecture to suggest the Church in a bad light.

If you need further info, just let me know....

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Posted: March 19 2006 at 4:22pm \| IP Logged

Mary,
I so appreciate your follow-up on this book and taking the time to type it out. I definitely don't want to spend money on it.
I think I'll skip it and look for one from a Catholic p.o.v.

Thank you.

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Posted: March 20 2006 at 5:49am \| IP Logged

Sounds like a great idea, Cay! It wasn't overt bashing just lots of "probably" in there!

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