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Can someone explain to me the different concerns Catholics have with the Jesuits and their teachings? And what's the history behind it?
If you can. Please?
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Cay,
The Jesuits were suppressed back in the 1750-1773, mostly for political reasons.
The Jesuits made a "comeback" and were considered one of the best education orders around -- Georgetown, Creighton, Loyola, Gonzaga (where yours truly and Mary M both went  ) were just some of the universities they established and built a great reputation. They also had numerous missionaries throughout the Pacific NW.
In the 1970s, some of the more vocal Jesuits got into trouble with their liberation theology and politics. Some of their statements and actions border on the heretical and I think many folks still have that "taste" in their mouths when they hear about the Jesuits.
Gonzaga is a case in point -- great President, but he's got tenured theology faculty (who were there when I went) who are ultra-liberal. Gonzaga signed the mandatum (was one of the first American universities to do so) but won't release who (or if anyone) on the theology faculty took the oath of allegiance to the magisterium.
This is simplified, but hopefully it will get you started in the right direction. Some of our closest family friends are wonderful Jesuits and they're a good order that probably still needs to do some housecleaning!
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Thank you, Mary.
That's what I needed to know. 
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At a latin mass this summer, the priest said in his homily that there is not one trustworthy Jesuit university today, out of 54 total.
Sad  I think he means theologically trustworthy. Some of them still are good as far as academics, in fact, probably most of them.
You know how much I love the Jesuit tradition; I so wish there was one I could feel comfortable about spending our hard-earned money on  .
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WJFR wrote:
At a latin mass this summer, the priest said in his homily that there is not one trustworthy Jesuit university today, out of 54 total.
Sad I think he means theologically trustworthy. Some of them still are good as far as academics, in fact, probably most of them.
You know how much I love the Jesuit tradition; I so wish there was one I could feel comfortable about spending our hard-earned money on . |
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Willa, this makes me want to weep too....for my dad, whose only criterion for me going away to college was that it be Jesuit! Boy, how times have changed...... 
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Father Hardon was absolutely tortured by his fellow Jesuit priests near the end of his life. They were cruel to him.
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Though there are problems, there are gems among the Jesuits living today. I can think of at least a couple of them, one a priest of many years, who is teaching theology at a major Catholic seminary, the other is a long-time dear friend who is still in formation for the priesthood (many years long preparation).
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Most assuredly Kelly -- we have some very close family friends (and the "famous" Jebs -- Hardon, Fessio, Baker as well as others) who are great Jesuits and were definitely formed properly.
Also, there is a small "reformed" order of Jesuits that is making in-roads in Europe, but I'm not sure about here in the States....
Like all orders, there are some good and some bad, some who have gotten caught up in the politics of the day, etc.
We're probably just not praying for them enough!
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Mary G wrote:
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Good thought ---- I think I will take you up on it, Mary-- here is a beautiful prayer made by St Ignatius and perhaps it could be offered for the Jesuit order in general:
Suscipe (St. Ignatius of Loyola)
Take, Lord, and receive all my liberty,
my memory, my understanding
and my entire will,
All I have and call my own.
You have given all to me.
To you, Lord, I return it.
Everything is yours; do with it what you will.
Give me only your love and your grace.
That is enough for me.
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I went to Spring Hill College (Jesuit institution) in the 70s and 80s - liberation theology was the order of the day as well as some odd things - but there were also a few old Jesuits that were solid - and often tortured mercilessly by at least the students.  The slide started at least in the 60s. I know when I was there, Jesuits were wondering whether or not they should wear their clericals for interviews, we had Sandinista terrorists speak on campus, buddhist monks on campus for some sort of something (peace issues, I think), funeral Mass outside because we were all going to be obliterated by nuclear weapons, etc. I had theology faculty that taught situational ethics and on and on. They were really in a tizzy when JP II rejected their choice of a superior and sent them back to vote. I keep in touch to determine when we might be able to donate to my alma mater - so far I've heard they've had WICA teachers and also heavy into Feminism.
But as others have mentioned, there are some really saintly Jesuits - one I remember is Fr. Real Borque (never at Spring Hill as far as I know). He gave some marvelous talks as a guest of Mother (but never publicised as far as I know because he couldn't have any of them taped or disseminated (by order of his superiors, I believe). I think he experienced many of the same things that Fr. Hardon did.
The Jesuits are simply brilliant in terms of education -
which becomes a source of great good or great evil depending on how that intelligence is directed. Thanks for posting the prayer - I really should remember all my former professors. They were all very generous with their time - would assist any student at any time and genuinely cared about us. Many were legends in terms of how they could beam a cockroach off the chalboard during organic chemistry without missing a beat (of course all the students were then hopelessly behind) but then stayed in the residence helping students understand the stuff until all hours of the night. The Jesuits as an order just seem to have lost their way.
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Thank you for the comments, everyone. Please keep them coming. I'm headed here ( St. Charles College ) today. They just lost two elderly, very fabulous Jesuit priests in Aug. and Sept. .
Due to lack of priests, the trend is to bring lay people into the folds to give retreats. I don't mind the lay people as much as I mind some of the other orders of priests who come in to give retreats.
The last one was from the order of St. Vincent de Paul. My dh and I attended a couple's retreat and the talks were...well...  ...can you say lib-er-al.
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I tried everything to find a link to this article. I Googled and everything, to no avail. So I'm pasting it here in its entirety.
I'm afraid this is the open-mindedness the Jesuits are participating in.
As the friend who sent it to me said:
"Oh, for the Love of...!"
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Militant Pro-Abortionist Speaks to Bioethics Class at Catholic Loyola Univ.
Speaker informs class that abortion must be “compassionate, careful and graceful”
By Meg Jalsevac
CHICAGO, October 16, 2006 (LifeSiteNews) – Dr. Judith Arcana is a proud member of the Chicago pre-Roe v. Wade underground abortion service known as ‘Jane’. She was invited and spoke to students of the bioethics class entitled ‘Ethics of Human Reproduction’ at Loyola University Chicago, a Jesuit institution, on October 5 of this year. Arcana is a vehement supporter of abortion on demand and believes that the abortion movement will only gain ‘lost ground’ by admitting that abortion is the killing of a living child but that that is a choice for the mother.
Arcana was invited by the Women’s Studies Department of Loyola, as part of their ‘Feminism and Faiths’ theme for this academic year, to recite some of her prose and poetry on the subjects of motherhood, adoption, miscarriage, abortion and pregnancy. Bioethics teachers were offered the opportunity to have Arcana guest lecture their classes.
‘Jane’, officially called the Chicago Women’s Liberation Union, was an underground organization that boasts that it performed 11,000 illegal abortions before abortion was legalized in the US in 1973. In a talk in London in 1999, Arcana gave background to ‘Jane’ and its ‘services’, “Women joined the Service through periodic orientation meetings, and learned the necessary tasks from those who had come before them. Once their counseling skills had been developed in new recruits, and the group had come to trust them, they could learn more – doing everything from basic record keeping to becoming a medic, one who performed abortions.”
Members of ‘Jane’ were taught how to perform abortions by a man who was not a doctor.
Arcana argues that the pro-abortion camp in the US is losing the abortion fight because they will not admit that an unborn child is a child. She believes that it is essential to inform pregnant women that they are carrying a child but that it is a legitimate choice to kill that child. Arcana says that women must be informed that they are killing a living child within them when they have an abortion. She says, “it is morally and ethically wrong to do abortions without acknowledging what it means to do them.” Arcana is against artificial human reproduction because it is not ‘natural’.
Alicia Torres, a senior at Loyola and a student in the ‘Ethics of Human Reproduction’ class, said that the class assignment for the day was to read some of Arcana’s works. Arcana was introduced by two bioethics professors who did not mention her work in ‘Jane’. In answer to a question at the end of the lecture, Arcana stressed that abortion should be “compassionate, caring and graceful” and drew an analogy between an abortion and being treated for a broken leg.
Loyola University is, at least in name, a Catholic university but is not foreign to controversy regarding pro-abortion speakers despite the US bishops 2004 direction that “institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles. They should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions.”
Dr. Margaret Farley, a pro-abortion ethicist from Yale spoke earlier this year at the invitation of the Women’s Studies Department. In 2004, abortion advocates former Vermont governor Howard Dean and Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan spoke and Madigan received the ‘St. Robert Bellarmine Award’ from Loyola University Chicago School of Law.
Loyola University Chicago is also one of the Catholic universities that maintains a link to Planned Parenthood on its website. It also links to the Howard Brown Health Center, a support center for the ‘lesbigaytrans community’. The link is found under the title ‘Health Related Services’ in the Women’s Studies Department webpage at http://www.luc.edu/womenstudies/services_resources.shtml.
A spokeswoman at Cardinal George’s office said that, in the past, the Cardinal has chosen to meet privately with any leaders involved in similar situations or to instruct them of the Church’s teaching by writing a letter.
Steve Christensen, Manager of Communications at Loyola University, justified Arcana’s presence by stating that Loyola is a Jesuit school and so takes on the Jesuit mission to form the whole person. He said that that mission calls for an open dialogue which allows students to hear arguments from those that hold “technically opposing views to the Catholic Church.” Christensen had no comment about the US bishops’ instruction to not give a platform to pro-abortion speakers.
Contact information for the president at Loyola University Chicago is:
Michael J. Garanzini, SJ
President
mgaranz@luc.edu
312.915.6400
Contact information for the Cardinal of Chicago’s office is:
Francis Cardinal George
312-751-8230
archbishop@archchicago.org
Read Related LifeSite Coverage:
U.S. Catholic Bishops Conference Says Pro-Abortion Politicians Should be Shunned
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/jun/04062102.html
Name and Shame: Catholic College Sites Linking to Abortion Centers Exposed
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/mar/06031701.html
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"Oh, for the Love of...!" is certainly right! Thank you for posting this Cay.
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Cay,
Thank you for that information! I am asking, probably a very dumb, question, but, Why doesn't the Vatican do anything about this? I have come to realize Bishops are reluctant to censure anyone, but Golly!
If we write to those above, what should we say? The objection is soooo obvious!
Locally, a Catholic girls high school has dismissed a l*****n "campus safety officer  , as she has "come out" in a very public way, in a book. Allegedly, she claims all knew she was *that way* before, but now that it is public, they are letting her go. Of course there is the predictable uproar over this. Why can't Catholics be allowed to be Catholic?
Going to pray!
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Thanks for posting that, Cay.
A very good friend of ours is a former president of Loyola. I can't imagine this happening while he was there. Yes, there are good (and great!) Jesuits out there. As a scientist, I am always amazed at the number of Jesuits in science.
But there's this other side...the ones who don't wear clericals, the ones who teach their own (often heretical) version of "Catholicism" in theology departments at Jesuit universities, the ones who laugh at priests like Fr. Hardon and who believe that they are correct in their liberation theology (or whatever left-wing cause they latch onto), and they could convince you that they are correct if only you would open your mind, because you, the thoughtful Catholic, are simply not as well-informed as they are.
If you have some time, and want to have some interesting reads, Google Jesuit blogs are read a few. They are a mixed bag, for sure.
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Wow. That article is just sickening. What an eye opener. I guess I am naive, but I had no idea.
How much farther can one fall than to admit that it is a child but then declare it OK to kill that child? To think that there are actual Catholic Priests out there that support this view makes my heart very heavy indeed.
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Bumping an old thread in case anyone is interested. My bil just posted a very interesting historical overview of the Jesuits in America on his Catholic History website.
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Hmm, I missed this thread when it started back in October. I'm thankful the question was asked. At my parish, every time our priest mentions Jesuits or "He is/was a Jesuit" everyone breaks out laughing.
I never got "the inside joke."
Maybe the info post here explains what's going on. (?)
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Just read in Catholic World Report that the Jesuits won a court case claiming one of their universities was not Catholic in identity (so they were eligible for some government money for a stadium) against the Masons who argued that they were a sectarian institution and thus the money award was unconstitutional. Yikes - but it seems the courts could not find enough evidence even in the governing body to identify it as a Catholic institution. Guess the truth of "in name only" is out in the open in a public way now.
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