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Posted: Nov 01 2010 at 8:47pm | IP Logged Quote Marybeth

We are currently using 5th grade Faith and Life for our spine. I am hoping to flesh out the prophets a bit more for my ds. I am so tired...does anyone have any books or suggestions on how to help me?!? I so appreciate it. I am dealing with insomnia and was sick most of the weekend. My tired brain can't come up with anything. Thanks!

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Posted: Nov 02 2010 at 10:29am | IP Logged Quote Marcia

Remembering the Prophets by Marianne Meyer is lovely! Worth the buy. It's a picture book for upper elementary.

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Posted: Nov 02 2010 at 7:07pm | IP Logged Quote JennGM

Marcia wrote:
Remembering the Prophets by Marianne Meyer is lovely! Worth the buy. It's a picture book for upper elementary.


That's the only one that comes to mind.

Another way to flesh out the prophets would be symbolism and art.

4 Major Prophets, 12 Minor Prophets
These are also portrayed juxtaposed to the NT
4 Evangelists, 12 Apostles

Symbols of the 4 Major Prophets
Isaiah: saw (how he was martyred); sack; tongs and a burning coal from the altar; scroll with words from his prophecy; tiny figure of St. Matthew on his shoulder.

Jeremiah: stone (stoned to death); wand; cistern; scroll containing words of his prophecy; St. Luke carried on his shoulder.

Ezekiel closed gate; turreted gateway; plan of New Jerusalem; tiny figure of St. John upon his shouldern.

Daniel: several lions; ram with four horns; image of the king's dream Daniel interpreted; small figure of St. Mark upon his shoulders.

The Cathedrals of Notre Dame and Chartres have wonderful examples of stained glass depictions of the prophets.

The Twelve Minor Prophets
Hosea: cast off mantle (infidelity of Israel against which he testified); skull; shattered idol.

Joel: pointed hood and Trumpet of Zion; lions.

Amos: shepherd's crook

Obadiah: pitcher and loaves of bread; entrances of 2 caves (Jews believed he concealed 100 prophets).

Jonah: great fish; gourd; ship.

Micah: broken sword and lance; temple upon a mountain; strong tower.

Nahum: mountain and feet of angel emerging from a cloud; broken yoke.

Habakkuk: angel which supported him; Holy Temple of the Lord.

Zephaniah: men, animals, birds and fishes; walled city with great sword above it.

Haggai: timbers; temple under construction.

Zechariah: donkey; four horns; four chariots; stone full of eyes.

Malachi angel issuing from clouds.

Sometimes also shown:

Elijah: whose symbol is scroll and red vestment; sword; mantle; fiery chariot.

Elisha: Elijah's mantle; double-headed eagle.

The Sistine Chapel depictions by Michaelangelo are a great example.

Web Gallery of Art has tons of examples of art depictions (stone, paintings, etc) of prophets, also Biblical Art on the Web. I think it would be harder to choose than coming up with a lack of ideas.

What I always enjoy is trying to figure out who the images depict by following the clues of the symbols.

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Posted: Nov 03 2010 at 2:29pm | IP Logged Quote Marybeth

Thank you so very very very very very much!!!! I really appreciate it!

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Posted: Nov 04 2010 at 5:50pm | IP Logged Quote MichelleW

Jenn,

Do you know why Ezekiel is one of the major prophets instead of Elijah?



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Posted: Nov 05 2010 at 3:57pm | IP Logged Quote JennGM

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Do you know why Ezekiel is one of the major prophets instead of Elijah?


Yes, and I had to laugh at the simple reason. The major prophets are chosen because of the length of the book of the Bible. The original Jewish writings were recorded in scrolls, and the major prophets had their own scrolls. The minor prophets/books could all fit into one scroll.

So Ezekiel's book is bigger, so he's a major. Elijah falls to the minor leagues.

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Posted: Nov 05 2010 at 5:14pm | IP Logged Quote lapazfarm

So where does this leave the other prophets like Moses and Samuel? They have their own books, right? Several, even.
Time to educate myself!

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Posted: Nov 05 2010 at 7:13pm | IP Logged Quote JennGM

lapazfarm wrote:
So where does this leave the other prophets like Moses and Samuel? They have their own books, right? Several, even.
Time to educate myself!


Maybe I've got it wrong, but I think it's how the books of the Bible are laid out, and not really including all the prophets. I was wondering the same thing.

As far as the books of the Bible, Moses falls under the Pentateuch and Samuel is in the Historical books. The Prophets fall under the Prophetic books. Clear as mud?

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Posted: Nov 05 2010 at 7:29pm | IP Logged Quote lapazfarm

JennGM wrote:
lapazfarm wrote:
So where does this leave the other prophets like Moses and Samuel? They have their own books, right? Several, even.
Time to educate myself!


Maybe I've got it wrong, but I think it's how the books of the Bible are laid out, and not really including all the prophets. I was wondering the same thing.

As far as the books of the Bible, Moses falls under the Pentateuch and Samuel is in the Historical books. The Prophets fall under the Prophetic books. Clear as mud?

That's what I was thinking, but I wondered when someone says they are studying "the prophets" do they mean only those major/minor ones from the books of the prophets, or do they mean any and all prophets?
Yep. Clear as mud!LOL!

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Posted: Nov 06 2010 at 3:24pm | IP Logged Quote stellamaris

Sorry to come to this party so late! Having trouble actually getting a few minutes to get to a real keyboard, but I did want to offer a little more information on this topic.

When we discuss "the prophets" we need to remember that there are two categories: 1)someone (anyone) who prophesied, performed miracles, or was seen as a special agent of God and/or 2)someone who wrote a book of prophecy that became part of the Old Testament.

The Jews divided their Scriptures into three sections:
1) Torah: these are the first 5 books of the OT attributed to Moses, sometimes called the Books of Moses or the Pentateuch (penta=5)
2) Nevi'im: "the Prophets", these are the 12 minor and 4 major prophets that Jenn listed above
3) Ketuvim: "the Writings", these consist of all the other OT books, including books of history (like 1 & 2 Samuel) and books of wisdom (Proverbs).

Moses, Elijah, Samuel, and Elisha are among the several prophets that did not write books considered to be part of the Nevi'im (the Prophets), so even though they ARE prophets they AREN'T counted in with the 12 minor and 4 major prophets. As Jenn said, the major and minor designations refer to the length of the writings (or, originally, the size of the scroll) for each prophet.

I haven't got F&L 5 here with me, but as I recall they discuss some prophets (Elijah?) who are not part of "the Prophets" and some (4 major, 12 minor) who are. Hope this clarifies it a little bit!

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