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Erin
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Posted: March 10 2008 at 8:18pm \| IP Logged

I have two queries which I know someone here can answer

1- Our priest has forbidden the public recitiation of the rosary during Adoration. Quoting that the Church has said not to. Does anyone know if this is true?

2- Our priest has also said that we no longer genuflect on two knees for when we enter/leave during adoration. Is this also true?

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Posted: March 10 2008 at 8:52pm \| IP Logged

Well I in regard to Q2 I have this interesting point to share - Fr Columba told us at the camp last year that the rules were changed in the Church (maybe around the time of Vatican II?) that you no longer had to genuflect on two knees BUT that the Australian Church applied for an indult (I hope that is the right word..) asking that in Australia we be able to keep the double genuflection as well as the Divine Praises at Benediction, this was accepted by the Vatican. Fr Columba said that in other, far more devote countries (and he was referring to his visit to Poland as an example) that they do not do these two things during adoration/benediction. He said that Australia has a beautiful tradition of great reverence to Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament and this is further proof of it. It was a lovely talk he gave us....

So I would say that this priest is referring to the general rule and forgetting the indult given to Australia. Erin, if you want to check up on this or find out more, I'd ring Fr Columba at Marian Valley (their monastery phone number is on their website) you maybe already know him, but if not he is such a friendly priest, he'd love to hear from you if you need clarification.

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Posted: March 10 2008 at 9:20pm \| IP Logged

aussieannie wrote:

... that you no longer had to genuflect on two knees BUT that the Australian Church applied for an indult (I hope that is the right word..) asking that in Australia we be able to keep the double genuflection as well as the Divine Praises at Benediction, this was accepted by the Vatican.

Okay, you don't have to but may you?
I would just feel so irreverent doing otherwise

So our priest is referring to an oldintroduction, not anything recent? A you may do either thing?

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Posted: March 10 2008 at 9:36pm \| IP Logged

Well I would assume that if we have the indult for our country that we are suppose to obey what has been stated for our country and that is to give a double genuflect and recite the Divine Praises at Benediction, just because the rest of the world has something else decreed for them doesn't mean we are allowed to join them...I maybe wrong, does anyone know how binding these things are? BTW the Priest is not referring to the old introduction as the old introduction had applied to the whole world when everyone around the world had to give a double geneflection, no, he is referring to the new introduction that does not include us because of the indult.

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Posted: March 11 2008 at 4:39am \| IP Logged

I've always seen those two things done here in the States as well. I wonder if things were changed back. I don't go to "renegade" places that would oppose the norms. In fact, this is done at the National Shrine and I know they are very careful to follow the norms because they set an example for the whole country.

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Posted: March 11 2008 at 11:55am \| IP Logged

I'm answering your questions in opposite order.

As regards to the double genuflection, from
Ceremonies of the Modern Roman Rite: The Eucharist and the Liturgy of the Hours by Peter J. Elliott

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198. In genuflecting, the whole body is lowered, while the back remains straight and the head does not incline forward. The right knee touches the place where the right foot stood. The action should be made, with hands joined, without haste -- and in a spirit of prayer. The "double genuflection" is still required in some countries before the Blessed Sacrament exposed. Those who make it kneel briefly on both knees and incline the head reverently, hands joined as usual.

Footnote: Many people still make the double genuflection out of devotion to Our Lord in the Eucharist. Pastoral sensitivity indicates that they need not be "corrected". However, those in the sanctuary should observe the policy of the episcopal conference.

I also found his answer from his http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0898706777/familyfood for-20/">Liturgical Question Box in Google Books.

Monsignor Elliott's books are a great reference. He also has Ceremonies of the Liturgical Year.

I also found these Adoremus which contradicts a bit.

Tabernacles, Adoration and Double Genuflections echoes Msgr.

As far as your second question, again from Liturgical Question Box. Also this site has the Benediction ceremony and repeats the documents that explains about the rosary during benediction (also repeated in his Ceremonies of the Modern Roman Rite: The Eucharist and the Liturgy of the Hours.)

So, in short, neither are FORBIDDEN. Anne has pointed out that double genuflection is still required in Australia. And the rosary *could* be said, but personal devotions are not encouraged during exposition and benediction.

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