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How long has this been a Holy Day of Obligation?
DH and I were talking last night, and neither one of us remembers going to Mass on New Year's Day when we were kids. In both cases, it could have been that our mothers went without dc?? Or, that during the 70's/80's it was a bit lax?? 
Just wondering....
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We went when we were kids and I'm older than you, Suzanne. It's a good question though - off to google. 
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In my old parish in SC, the bishop chose NOT to have it as a holy day. Here in NC, this bishop says it IS a holy day. So I guess it depends on where you are? Seems kind of strange.
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Suzanne, it looks like the Solemnity of Mary the Mother of God was proclaimed by Pope Paul VI after Vatican II. I"ve found 1974 mentioned but not sure if that is the date. I would have said it was earlier as I do remember always (my lifetime) having Jan. 1 be a Holy Day. Okay, I am fortunate to have my mom here visiting so I asked her. Before it became the Solemnity of Mary Mother of God it was the Feast of the the Circumcision (which is what I was seeing referenced with a google search) and it was still a Holy Day of Obligation. She said she was recently reading something that included a history of the feast day, but can't remember where. She recalls that it had another name in between those times but can't recall so I'm trying to find that info now.
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In my old parish in SC, the bishop chose NOT to have it as a holy day. Here in NC, this bishop says it IS a holy day. So I guess it depends on where you are? Seems kind of strange.
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Actually it is related to when the feast day falls. If it is on Saturday or Monday, then the local bishops can remove the obligation and some diocese have done that. But if it falls on other days of the week it is still a Holy Day of Obligation and no bishop can change that.
Whenever January 1, the solemnity of Mary, Mother of God, or August 15, the solemnity of the Assumption, or November 1, the solemnity of All Saints, falls on a Saturday or on a Monday, the precept to attend Mass is abrogated.
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I always remember going to church on New Year's Eve/New Year's day.
We're going to Mass in about an hour and I went looking for the Magnifikids for today and there isn't one!
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Suzanne, my dh and I were saying on our way to Mass tonight that we don't remember going on New's Day/Eve when we were growing up.
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Here is what is written in my copy of 'Saints: A Year in Faith and Art' -
This was the first feast dedicated to Mary to be inserted in the liturgical calendar of the Western Church. The divine maternity of Mary was proclaimed church dogma at the Council of Ephesus (431); in more recent times, the Second Vatican Council (1962-65) made the meaning explicit: "that Christ should be recognised, in the truest sense, as the Son of God and the Son of Man." Before this feast was inserted in the revised Roman Catholic calendar, the first day of the year had been dedicated to remembrance of the Circumcision of the Lord, which took place eight days after his birth, as prescribed by Jewish law.
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Mary,
Where are you quoting from? Do you have a link?
We always went to Jan 1 mass, so I was SHOCKED when I talked to my mom tonight (it's her birthday), and she said they were NOT going at all! She said in their diocese (Orange, CA), it isn't a Holy Day of Obligation this year. There were 2 masses offered at their parish, an 11pm vigil in Spanish and a 9am in Vietnamese. The priests who run the parish are in my brother's order, known to be careful and thorough and conservative, which makes me wonder how the Holy Day could have been missed. The diocesan website only goes through Christmas 2007  . Anyway, I thought she would like to see the original sources since my saying, "But this lady on the forum said so!" didn't convince her.
Were you looking here? I can see that the conference can change the obligation with prior approval of the Holy See, so that means the US bishops as a group deciding and asking for approval, not just one here and there (the same as you were also saying above). Am I correct?
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MaryM wrote:
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I saw that it is also called "Holy Name". Does anyone have more info on that?
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Yes, Rachel, it is the USCCB site that I was quoting from. I don't see anything in that which would allow individual bishops to change Holy Days of obligation except as stated in the canons quoted.
I did find this on Wikipedia about the archdiocese of Los Angeles: "The province does not celebrate the solemnity of Mary, Mother of God as a holy day.[3]Though this move was not approved by the proper channels, namely the Episcopal Conference with approval of Rome."
Very interesting, don't you think?
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That is interesting, because I grew up in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles and we did, indeed, celebrate January 1 as a Holy Day. We always went to Mass.
When I was young, there was an alternate feast day liturgy called World Day of Peace for January 1, but no parish I attended ever used that.
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guitarnan wrote:
| That is interesting, because I grew up in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles and we did, indeed, celebrate January 1 as a Holy Day. We always went to Mass. |
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It seems much more recent that they have dropped it.
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It still is also World Day for Peace. Our archbishop, in his vigil homily yesterday, mentioned all that Jan. 1 is currently.
-Octave of Christmas
-World Day for Peace
-Solemnity of Mary Mother of God
-New Years
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In reference to World Day for Peace, this from Women for Faith and Family website:
The Holy See shares the profound aspirations of man for peace. Since 1967, 1 January has been designated "world day for peace".
Popular piety has not been oblivious to this initiative of the Holy See. In the light of the new born Prince of Peace, it reserves this day for intense prayer for peace, education towards peace and those value inextricably linked with it, such as liberty, fraternal solidarity, the dignity of the human person, respect for nature, the right to work, the sacredness of human life, and the denunciation of injustices which trouble the conscience of man and threaten peace.
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MaryM wrote:
| Suzanne, it looks like the Solemnity of Mary the Mother of God was proclaimed by Pope Paul VI after Vatican II. I"ve found 1974 mentioned but not sure if that is the date. I would have said it was earlier as I do remember always (my lifetime) having Jan. 1 be a Holy Day. Okay, I am fortunate to have my mom here visiting so I asked her. Before it became the Solemnity of Mary Mother of God it was the Feast of the the Circumcision (which is what I was seeing referenced with a google search) and it was still a Holy Day of Obligation. She said she was recently reading something that included a history of the feast day, but can't remember where. She recalls that it had another name in between those times but can't recall so I'm trying to find that info now. |
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Just verifying that in my 1949 and 1957 missals with January 1st still being the Circumcision of Our Lord, New Year's Day was still a Holyday of Obligation.
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MaryM wrote:
I did find this on Wikipedia about the archdiocese of Los Angeles: "The province does not celebrate the solemnity of Mary, Mother of God as a holy day.[3]Though this move was not approved by the proper channels, namely the Episcopal Conference with approval of Rome."
Very interesting, don't you think?
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Definitely interesting. Could Orange have gone the same way, I wonder? And thank you for confirming where you were quoting from. I wanted to be sure I had the right source.
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Yes, this appearently is in effect in the the total Province of Los Angeles which includes the diocese of Fresno, Monterey , Orange, San Bernardino, and San Diego. My husband just got back this afternoon from visiting his parents in San Diego. He couldn't find a Mass to go to there.
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Suzanne, I got confused as well.
I *thought* I remembered that it was a holy day, and we did go to Mass; however, when I checked my Catholic homeschooling calendar, it wasn't marked as a holy day. Furthermore, our pastor thanked all of us for coming to Mass, as if we had done something special.
hmmmmm.
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My husband had a hard time finding a Mass in Las Vegas. One parish bulletin he saw actually said, in bold letters, that it was "NOT a HDO"?? He was able to find a noon Mass, and the Priest said something about it not "technically being a Holy Day" also - but dh said the church was packed. We were able to find two parishes that both DID say it was a Holy Day, and had extra Masses.
This concerns me a little, to say the least.....
And how can there be differences within the Diocese?
oh, dear.....
Well, we are trying to live close to one of those parishes that DID have it listed as a HDO, so that is good....
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This Adoremus article reports Cardinal Mahony (Los Angeles) and Archbishop Levada (San Francisco) both abrogated the January 1 Holy Day of obligation starting in 2002. Many western bishops followed. Las Vegas is within the Province of San Francisco.
Like Laura said this is concerning - clearly this not only brings confusion to the faithful, but confusion to the priests. One wonders how it is permitted to happen since it does not appear to follow canon law. So sad that there is a loss of one more holy day in those diocese when there are so few anyway.
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Sigh.
Here in the Archdiocese of Baltimore, tradition still prevails. We had five Masses (2 on 12/31 and 3 yesterday) for the Holy Day. We were definitely told it was a Holy Day, and our (awesome) homily yesterday included an explanation of the term "Solemnity."
My parents' parish (Pasadena, Calif.) did not have any Masses, citing their proximity to the Rose Parade route (they are on the route, right at the end where the floats all turn and park, so New Year's day is a mess around there). No word on any archdiocesan pronouncements, though.
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