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We were at a class Monday evening and I was sitting at a table with Dd's CCD teacher. After the priest was finished speaking and the floor was opened for questions the teacher asked whether he believed we had Absolute Freedom or Relative Freedom, which was not the topic of the speech at all. After a huge and long debate wherein the teacher wouldn't drop the subject or let anyone else speak the priest finally said that both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict have called for academic accountability on this very subject and that we have Relative Freedom. End of story. Time to move on and stay on topic.
After the class as we were leaving the CCD teacher came up to me and said that this will be the topic for CCD this week, and that he will state that it is his personal opinion that we have Absolute Freedom based on the idea that to go to Hell and have Absolute Removal from God we have to have Absolute Freedom.
Last week he taught that as we have an All-Merciful God, the ultimate merciful act will be the release of souls in Hell.
How this teaches to the stated goals of Year One Confirmation - memorize the 10 Commandments, the Works of Mercy and the Beatitudes - I'm rather at a loss to explain and I'm ready to go beyond this teacher and ask. If you were in this situation would you go to the DRE or since it seems that this man is quite well known to the priest (this is not the first time I've seen them head to head) and on this topic the teacher was given advice by the priest, would you talk to the priest?
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Ugh--why do people who don't believe what the Church teache feel compelled to teach CCD?  I guess I'd start w/ the DRE, but I wouldn't let this drop. This is in direct contradiction to te Catechism...
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Yep, I'd go to someone. Even though the priest "knows" this person and their arguments.. he may not *know* that the teacher is carrying it over to the kids. It is after all, fine to ask questions about what the Church teaches and why so the priest may not understand that this person is carrying his arguments into the classroom and teaching the students incorrect information.
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This sounds like maybe an interesting topic to research and debate. BUT it sounds like an adult religious education topic. I would think the development of the topic/debate would be pretty much academic and philosophical. This is Confirmation preparation? Doesn't sound to me at all appropriate -- developmentally, intellectually, or on any level for high school aged students. And it also sounds pretty much not appropriate in content for its supposed goal, either. Is this guy trying to teach these children about the Church so that they can confirm their baptism or is moving them toward being so confused that they don't get what they are being confirmed in?
Definitely talk to your pastor and to the DRE! It sounds like he is using a whole curricular approach that is something other than Confirmation Preparation!
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Nancy... high school age??? Jennifer's daughter is only 12
And here confirmation is every other year and is the 6th and 7th grade students.. my daughter in 5th grade this year is starting the first year of prep for confirmation. She'll be confirmed in 6th grade.
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Whoa!! Our parish has always confirmed 10th graders; just this year (last Saturday, in fact) we had Confirmation which included both the 9th and 10th graders. In the future, Confirmation will be received in 9th grade, so this was a *catch up* year. Actually, I think our Archdiocese (Washington, DC) recommends Confirmation in 8th grade, but somehow our parish has been out of sync with this for years. (Not condoning older Confirmation; in fact dd now in 6th will probably receive this sacrament at a different parish in 8th grade).
But, now that I realize how very young these children are, I REALLY think it sounds like the Catechist at Jennifer's church is just working on his own issues and not appropriately oriented toward Confirmation prep!
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Well, I ended up calling the DRE, she was appalled. She was going to speak with the teacher and hand deliver the appropriate lesson as it turns out that there is a curriculum for Confirmation - fancy that!
Nancy, I think there is much confusion regarding Confirmation here, the old saw regarding it being similar to a Bar Mitzvah or that Protestant idea of a person choosing Jesus as their Lord and Savior. I've now heard that a previous priest would advise the kids that if they were confused at all they shouldn't receive the Sacrament, so many opted not to be Confirmed. That priest was pulled out abruptly before we moved here but the ripples of an idea like that could still be stirring the waters, I suppose.
I thought it quite cool that Bishop Corrada's Pastoral Reflection on the Sacrament of Confirmation just happened to show up in my Inbox this morning. Great read.
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