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I am taking some time to look ahead to 2011-2012 and do some history planning. I've looked online at the All Ye Lands website and it looks like a great book to use on its own or as a spine. I have not seen sample pages for The Old World and America text by Furlong. Can anyone compare the two? And would they be appropriate for a precocious (I think) 5th grader? I am considering using whichever book I choose for two years. Can either book be stretched out easily for two years?
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I think All Ye Lands would be better for a 5th grader because the language is more modern and the illustrations are in color (preferred by younger students, in most cases).
I'm sure you could stretch either book over two years if you went veerrry slowwwwly. (Hands-on activities, living books and field trips would help with this.)
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Do you want to see my copies of both, Lisa? It would be a good excuse to get together. 
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Hi Mary,
It would be great to get a good look at them. Maybe when the roads get better (brrr) we can try to plan something...or, if you're going to Rose's party tonite  and you don't mind lugging them into the house, we'll be there .
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Lisa
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I'm waiting to hear if you decided on one of these books Lisa! I will have a 5th grader next year and this year he's really struggling with Pioneers and Patriots, also by Furlong. He's not precocious though, reading is a struggle for him. I guess I'm wondering which of the two is easier to read and comprehend.
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Hi Becky,
I think I decided (so far) to go with All Ye Lands. I think the pictures will make it more interesting to my son. I also like the questions at the end of the chapters and think they lend themselves to some good practice in writing short essays. Lastly, All Ye Lands goes into things with a little more depth (right Mary?), and since I am going to try to drag it out (with living books, both fiction and non-fiction, projects, etc.) that would provide us with more material for exploration. Another reason I am choosing this book and choosing to try to stretch it out is that I am still trying to follow, somewhat loosely, a 4 year history rotation per The Well-Trained Mind, so at 5th grade we'll start back with the ancients and move along from there.
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Maureen's lesson plans for AYL in case you are interested
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Does anyone know how to find and/or access this? I went to the link and it took me to schoolhousefamilies which is another homeschool forum (not someone's blog) and I didn't find anything about All ye Lands.
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Kathryn wrote:
Does anyone know how to find and/or access this? I went to the link and it took me to schoolhousefamilies which is another homeschool forum (not someone's blog) and I didn't find anything about All ye Lands.
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Apparently the link is no longer good. But I did find it in the internet archive at: https://web.archive.org/web/20090215112949/http://www.homesc hoolblogger.com/Maureen/316942/
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Oh bless you!!! That's exactly what I wanted was some living books to go along with the text! I spent alllll day yesterday and didn't get past ch 2! Thank you again!
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Bumping this up- Lisa, did you go with All Ye Lands?
After two years of American history, we are going to cycle back to earlier times here, and I have been looking at AYL. It does seem more text-bookish, especially towards the middle/end, than STSS.
I think it might overwhelm dd (going into grade 5). Also, I fell as though the teacher at my house may not enjoy using it as much 
However, I do like the pictures, and I do like the more modern language.
Who is using AYL these days, and what are your thoughts?
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Hi Melinda,
I did go with AYL and it is a definitely a 'textbook', but it does have a lot of good information and good pictures. I don't have anything against textbooks used as spines for history study. That said, I did not find it easy to use. If you use it as a spine, you will still have to do a lot of prep work to facilitate discussion mainly because the teacher's guide (at least the one I bought back in 2011, I don't know if they have a new edition) had a lot of errors - wrong page number references, different questions, even information not included in the text. You will have to make the information really come alive through projects, discussion, videos, and living books.
I still use it as a two year spine for history study during 5th and 6th grade. By the end of this year, I will have used it twice. Both my sons have been good readers.
Hope that helps,
Lisa
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Thanks, Lisa- that is helpful.
The daily lesson plans are set up to read one week of text, then do all projects/dvds/read alouds the next week, and there are many suggestions for each week. That does help break up the text-bookish-ness, I think.
It seems like the next book in the series covers a lot of the same topics, but in more depth... so over two years you are reading a lot about the same things?
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I'm going to use Old World and America next year for my rising 6th grader. Her brother is reading The World's Story, by Elizabeth O'Neill, per the MA Level 3 syllabus, and it's wonderful. But this next child is going to be starting Level 3 next year, and aside from not really wanting the hassle of their sharing a book (and they do NOT want to be read to at this point), and aside from the fact that I already had OW&A, my considerations are this:
1) this child is easily overwhelmed by too much text. We're still recovering from our course of vision therapy, and while things are hugely improved, we're still building our reading stamina. I like the chapter lengths for this text, which I plan to use over two years, in short lessons two days a week. US history will be the other two days.
2) Although I'm generally not a fan of discussion/study questions as too directive of a child's thought processes, I really have always kind of liked the ones in OW&A. They're fairly imaginative and open-ended (at least some sections of them), and provide nice narration prompts.
3) I also like that the book is not visually "busy." Too many pictures, and this child JUST looks at the pictures and maybe reads the captions, and ignores the text. I want something she can read independently and really read, and then write or talk to me about.
I'm otherwise using books that are a lot meatier, in literary terms -- H.E. Marshall's This Country of Ours, Fabre's Story-Book of Science (continuing from this year), etc. This is my concession in terms of that meatiness -- she'll be reading historical fiction on the side, but we need a spine that won't take us five years to get through.
But bear in mind that nobody in my house liked From Sea to Shining Sea, which is why I probably would not even consider All Ye Lands. The more modern language didn't make it any more digestible to the middle schoolers I tried it on. Just not our style at all, so I'm writing from that bias. Fr. Furlong is about as textbooky as I can stand to get! So again, grain of salt and all that.
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Sally
(But I really do love The World's Story. My 12yo son is enjoying it no end. He'll read it next year as well, and will also continue This Country of Ours for US).
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Thank you for your input, Sally. I was able to browse through A Child's History of the World today (Hillyer), and that looked very interesting, too.
So many choices!
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Has anyone had any luck finding these plans for weeks 12+?
TIA! Marie
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