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i'm trying to make our plans for history this year for my 14 yo ds (kinda late, huh? we're in the midst of a move so things are behind)
We did ancient history through the birth of Christ for 6th grade, Christ through the reformation in 7th grade, and American history up to the 20th century (not including) for 8th grade. I'd intended to finish American history this semester with 20th century, but it occurred to me that he'd have a better understanding of that if he had more western European background leading up to the world wars.
I've looked at MODG syllabi (I had intended to get the American history one for high school) but I don't see anything specific to this area; most of MODG is more on the ancients and American. I do use lots of living books (pulled primarily but not exclusively from www.readingyourwaythroughhistory.com) but I would like a spine as a guide. I don't need lesson plans per se, but OTOH at this point with all that is going on, I wouldn't be averse to a little hand-holding either :) That's why I was looking at MODG.
any ideas? I do have Christ the King, Lord of History, but don't have it unpacked here to peruse. Others?
Karen T
I've also looked at Sonlight but it'd be mighty pricey just for the history aspect.
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ABC's of Christian Culture? It is a world and comprehensive history program and more. It is not amero-centric. I haven't used it, but I've seen it.... It seems like a great option.
and there was a thread here on the forum somewhere....
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Just to complicate things  have you looked at the Humanities classes offered on line by Regina Coeli Academy? My ds took one last year and they read very meaty books-he learned a lot.
Kelly in FL
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OK, the ABC's of Christian Culture sounds like it would be a great idea to start with, but I can't seem to find anything on the website (Our Father's House), even after searching. It brings up a page of books that probably go along with it, but not anything like a lesson plan or syllabus or spine book. What am I missing?
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Kelly wrote:
Just to complicate things have you looked at the Humanities classes offered on line by Regina Coeli Academy? My ds took one last year and they read very meaty books-he learned a lot.
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I looked at Regina Coeli last week for something else and it was $900 for one semester, for one combined religion/humanities course I think! That's way out of my range right now. Please correct me if I'm mistaken!
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Maybe build a study of modern European history around the saints who God raised up to stand against all of the secular influences after the Protestant Revolt? Start with the counter-Reformation (Francis de Sales, St. Ignatius) and the Council of Trent (how to win back Protestants and evangelize the new World and the Orient). Read Thomas More's "Utopia." Then the Scientific Revolution, leading to the Enlightenment (good study of Blaise Pascal)and the French Revolution, the condition of the European states that lead so many to immigrate, the problems in Russia (from Peter the Great to the last Czars and the demonic influence of Rasputin!) that lead to the worse choice of communism. Put the visits of OLOL and OLOF in their proper historical perspectives, as well.
"Triumph" by Crocker is a good "spine" book for this, along with primary source documents and good literature to discuss. "The Story of the Church" by Johnson is also very Europe-focused.
As an aside, I am an instructor for Regina Coeli. Yes, $900 plus books for a literature, history, composition class seems pricey, but it is worth the money. (Remember, $900 is for 2 and a half cradits- history, lit and half a credit in composition!) It is less than half the price of a class at your local Catholic high school (assuming there is a faithful Catholic high school nearby. No such place near me!) The Humanities curriculum (In Humanities III) discusses this time period well, studying Blaise Pascal's writings through the time of Kafka to understand the hopelessness of modern Europe and "The Brothers Karamazov" to discuss Russian orthodoxy and worldview. All in a classroom setting, defending their opinions to the other students and getting lots of essay writing practice. And, most importantly, with a Catholic perspective.
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Yes, OFH website does not have much other info on what you'd need.
Maybe one of the mom's who has used it could help out here???
Also, I bet you could find out the book list by emailing Julia Fogassy. (She's really very nice!) (It would be great for her to update the website in that direction....?)
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Kelly wrote:
Just to complicate things have you looked at the Humanities classes offered on line by Regina Coeli Academy? My ds took one last year and they read very meaty books-he learned a lot.
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Have you a list of these 'meaty' books? I have a child who is devouring books and really needs some weighty ones.
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Kelly,
I didn't mean to sound like the Regina Coeli course wasn't worth it, it's just not possible for us right now. We've just moved to a state with houses costing double what we had, without any increase in dh's income  so we are stretched to say the least. Private school, even if available, would also be out of the realm of possibilities for us. It's a shoestring budget this year, or public school (no way).
Thanks for mentioning it though.
I do have Crocker's Triumph and have read parts of it, but not the modern part. I think it's in storage though right now! (we're staying with MIl while house-hunting)
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Karen T wrote:
OK, the ABC's of Christian Culture sounds like it would be a great idea to start with, but I can't seem to find anything on the website (Our Father's House), even after searching. It brings up a page of books that probably go along with it, but not anything like a lesson plan or syllabus or spine book. What am I missing?
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OK, I do feel stupid. I must have looked at that page 3 different times and kept missing the actual ABC's book; I only saw all the companion books! I finally found it today and just ordered it. Thanks!
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Karen,
don't feel bad! I totally misread your post as well!
I'm glad you found it and I hope that it works out well for you!
Btw--I totally sympathize with your discombobulation homeschooling/moving... That was last year for us. Just do the best you can and it will still be great! 
God bless,
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 No worries, Karen---like I say, I was just throwing that into the mix-- Aren't we all lucky that we hsers have so many options (sometimes too many!).
Crocker's "Triumph" is very good. I think they read that in the RCA Humanities II class and hey, *I* liked it.
Erin, my ds took the Humanities III class at RCA. I don't have the list. but some of the ones I remember off-hand were Dr. Faustus, Utopia, MacBeth, Paradise Lost (I think), The Autobiography of St. Teresa of Avila, The Brothers Karamazov and I *think* The Wasteland.
Hey, MacMom, which class(es) are you teaching? Do I *know* you????
Kelly in FL 
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Karen T wrote:
Karen T wrote:
OK, the ABC's of Christian Culture sounds like it would be a great idea to start with, but I can't seem to find anything on the website (Our Father's House), even after searching. It brings up a page of books that probably go along with it, but not anything like a lesson plan or syllabus or spine book. What am I missing?
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OK, I do feel stupid. I must have looked at that page 3 different times and kept missing the actual ABC's book; I only saw all the companion books! I finally found it today and just ordered it. Thanks! |
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OK, I figured out what the problem was. I did order the ABC's, etc and it arrived this morning. I was disappointed to find it has hardly any modern history and in fact, at first seemed to be mostly ancients. I went back on the site and searched for it and couldn't get it to come up again! I finally emailed Julia, and one of her staff phoned me and agreed the website is a huge problem. Apparently, if you search for a "near term" it won't bring it up - you have to search it exactly. she said she'd had problems finding "child-sized vestment" herself b/c she left out the hyphen! Anyway, we discussed my problems for history and she agreed this is probably not going to work. I'm deciding now whether to keep it for the future or send it back, minus my shipping and a 5% restocking fee
I'm going to look further at Mater Amabilis I guess, and will probably end up writing most of my own stuff after all.
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The RC history site is working on a modern curriculum, but it's not out yet. Have you seen some of their recommended booklist? It's here Modern RC history
One of their text is for grade 3- 8, but the rest look like they are for older kids.
ETA -- oops, it doesn't contain modern European; it looks like just modern American. Not a help.
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Karen,
Sorry ABCs is not what you wanted. I did not realize it had little modern history. I thought it covered all the periods.
If its not what you need, then you should certainly send it back--its expensive!
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OK, I'm still foundering here, wondering what I'm going to do about history. It's hard to believe no one really has a western civilization type course/curriculum/booklist done somewhere! That's a big history course in high school, or at least it was when I went to school, so many years ago.
anyway, I'm strongly considering Sonlight at this point, just b/c there's so much available. This would be the second half of world history, I think it's Core 7 if I'm not mistaken. I am not sure if I'd order the whole thing or more likely, just the books I want and the IG just for guidance. I know I'll have to Catholicize it, that doesn't bother me.
What is the difference in the 4-day vs the 5-day cores? do they add more books, stretch it out longer, what? The 5 day costs more but it doesn't explain the difference in the catalog. Sorry for the SL questions here.
My other idea is still to use MA loosely.
Someone on another list also mentioned that MODG may have a syllabus for this time period but it's not listed at any of the sites who carry them. I may email them and check.
Karen T
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