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From this thread on Teaching Blending I'm posing an opposite problem.
With very little help from me, my boys both picked up reading on their own. While I'm not an electronic advocate for learning, the Leap Frog Videos were just hands down the best phonics and beginning reading helper for them.
My youngest has jumped from watching the videos, to creating words and reading beginning books. He just read "The Eye Book" today and is so pleased.
And since he's already got such a grasp, I'm reluctant to go backward and do some remedial phonics. With my oldest I used Sound Beginnings, and he was already reading, but we were putting writing and spelling and phonics together. I guess I'm thinking doing that again, but we didn't stay in very long.
A friend gave me a whole box of the old Ladybird books, so I was thinking of using those, since they are delightful to read and provide such a variety. I found 7 more over the weekend at a used book sale.
But then, how much more? I'm just wondering if I'm doing enough, will there be gaps later because I didn't go through all the phonics rules?
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Okay, I will preface this by my boys are the exact opposite of yours!!!!!
If my boys were at this stage I would just keep them in books reading!
I believe that CM just taught using real books to read and didn't use much in the way of phonics. I know that you boys are voracious readers so they will encounter and learn the differences in "phonics" as they read.
Also, when you do dictation, as your boys get older, you can certainly fill in any missing ideas as it effects their spelling or they ask you questions.
This would totally be a non issue for me! And, a problem I WISH I had. *sigh*
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I still have my oldest doing Explode the Code even though he is a voracious reader and has been since midway through first grade. He'll be finishing the series this year in third and then starting dictation next year in fourth.
He is able to do it quickly and independently, especially since he *is* an advanced reader, and it has been pretty painless to implement.
I can't relate the long terrm effects of such a strategy, but I feel he is getting exposure to the basic rules even if it isn't such an intense program as Sound Beginnings or All About Spelling.
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I do something similar to Lindsay. From my Kolbe years I've just gotten used to using the MCP phonics workbooks. I completely use the CM way of teaching to read and love using real books for this purpose. ...
But for my peace of mind I let them go through a page or two a day of the workbook. I put no other emphasis except its just quick practice. By third/fourth grade I stop using it. I found them helpful in filling any gaps missing from our book choice thus my copywork choice and concentration of a specific sound, rule, exception to the rule, sight words, prefix....you get the idea 
My boys have really loved the LeapFrog videos too. I'm not sure if I've mentioned but we found the set from PreSchool Prep very useful as well. They have a phonics set and three sight word dvds.
Jenn, I think that if your comfortable with their reading level you might just want to move forward from there. Keep a one on one read aloud session so you can hear from your boys where the gaps are and concentrate on those as they come up. To reinforce what Betsy recommends and what I do as part of our routines: Pick copywork(dictation if age ready) specific to the things you want to emphasize/reinforce. I really value that read aloud time because you can't miss the mistakes. I can even hear them in my oldest so we're constantly reviewing and in some cases introducing a new concept.
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I'd also vouch for Preschool Prep. We went through the Sight Word videos & books, and they have helped G w/ facility. I'm not sure I'm the one to ask about the order of doing things and how, but we did enjoy doing this together. We also have a lot of their other DVDs, and the kids like them even better than the Leapfrog ones. Actually, the letter sound DVD is very good about exploring different vowel sounds. I keep meaning to review it with G just to boost his facility with long/short.
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Well, I believe that with a child who can already read well, whatever gaps there may be can easily be addressed through copywork, dictation, and reading aloud together. In fact, with my older children I didn't even do copywork or dictation, but just addressed any issues as they came up in read-alouds or in their writing.
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Thank you all for your input!
I ask because my usual approach is to NOT use a program. But then I question myself that I'm dropping the ball and perhaps I need to add something.
Betsy and Theresa, your responses resonate with me:
Betsy wrote:
If my boys were at this stage I would just keep them in books reading!
I believe that CM just taught using real books to read and didn't use much in the way of phonics. I know that you boys are voracious readers so they will encounter and learn the differences in "phonics" as they read.
Also, when you do dictation, as your boys get older, you can certainly fill in any missing ideas as it effects their spelling or they ask you questions. |
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| Well, I believe that with a child who can already read well, whatever gaps there may be can easily be addressed through copywork, dictation, and reading aloud together. In fact, with my older children I didn't even do copywork or dictation, but just addressed any issues as they came up in read-alouds or in their writing. |
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I admit to falling behind on copywork and dictation with my older son, especially this year and do address much through read-alouds and writing.
Thanks for the feedback. I will feel more at rest and not feel pressured to buy anything more.
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I'm doing some planning and was reviewing Jen's post on Dictation.
In it, she recommends the following resource in addition to Spelling Wisdom
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| The ABC's and All Their Tricks: The Complete Reference Book of Phonics and Spelling by Margaret Bishop - this is a relatively new reference for us, but I really enjoy having it around! It's super helpful for the child who has learned to read and finished phonics lessons, but could use some review, and there's a great section in the appendix on remedial reading as well as a super helpful appendix on syllabication. It's a fantastic comprehensive reference for all-things-phonics-and-spelling! The bulk of the book (228 pages) is an alphabetized listing of letters (one per page) with each page containing rules and exceptions - so helpful!!! If you're a homeschooler and have been at this for any amount of time, you have experienced a moment when your child phonetically pronounces a word, but doesn't use the true pronunciation (which isn't phonetic at all...sigh). An example: the word heir could sound like "hair" rhyming with "their" if you were phonetically pronouncing it, but there are many exceptions to pronouncing EI. For example, if your child answered a confirmation catechism question with "hairs of heaven" you would have to supress snorts of laughter and pull out this book and explain from p. 148 that heir is borrowed from the French, and French words usually have a silent h when it is a beginning letter. It's a good reference packed with helpful info for the why-of-it-all! |
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Anyway, I thought of you when I read it. 
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I bought when she posted! It IS up my alley. Thanks!
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